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Minutes 09-30-91MINUTES OF JOINT CITY COMMISSION/RECREATION & PARKS BOARD WORKSHOP'HELD IN COMMISSION CHAMBERS, CITY HALL, BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA, ON MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 30, 1991 AT 7:00 P.M. City Commission Members Present Arline Weiner, Mayor Edward Harmening, Vice Mayor Jose Aguila, Commissioner Lillian Artis, Commissioner Lynne Matson, Commissioner Charles Frederick, Director, Recreation & Parks Recreation & Parks Board Members Present Dr. Pat Shepherd, Chairman Edward Harris George Smith Betty Thomas Nathaniel Weinshel Recreation ~ Parks Board Members Absent Mikel Lynch-Jones CALL TO ORDER Mayor Weiner called the joint workshop to order at 7:15 p.m. She introduced the members of the City Commission and the members of the Recreation & Parks Board. The purpose of the workshop is to discuss future park projects Which the City is beginning to plan. Mayor Weiner explained the City is only in the planning stage and is in no way anywhere near the spending stage of these projects. She explained that just as the County, State and Federal government are experiencing econo- mic hardships, so is the City. Planning for projects such as these parks is a lengthy process. Hopefully, economic conditions Will improve within the next two years and we will be ready to go forward. Another reason for the public meetings is to get the people involved in the planning of facilities which will affect their lives. This meeting will afford the public the opportunity to give input into what type of recreational facilities will be built in the City for public use. Mayor Weiner introduced Charles Frederick who explained the planning process has begun for five park sites within the City. These plans will meet the goals and objectives of the recreation and open space element of the Comprehensive Plan. The open space iand recreation elemment of the Comprehensive Plan is mandated by the State of Florida. Meetings have been conducted with residents of Boynton Lakes, the Meadows and two public forums have been held regarding the Quantum Park site and the 10-acre Intracoastal site. The maps - 1 - MINUTES - JOINT WORKSHOP OF CITY COMMISSION AND RECREATION & PARKS BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA SEPTEMBER 30, 1991 shown presented an overall view of the park sites in the City. Mr. Frederick pointed out the new park sites in addition to existing park sites. Four of the five sites are in the northwest quadrant of the City. This meeting will afford the opportunity to express thoughts to the consultants. Mr. Frederick confirmed this process is a first step. The goal of this meeting is to give direction to the consultants so they can return with concep- tual plans so that a final master plan can be developed. He introduced Mr. John Fernsler, the consultant for the 10-acre Intracoastal park site. DISCUSSION OF THE TEN (10) ACRE INTRACOASTAL PARK SITE A. John Fernsler: Wallace-Roberts-Todd John Fernsler is a partner with the firm and also an Architect. He introduced Jerry Marsten, Vice President for Landscape Architecture, Cathy O'Leary, Senior Associate for Landscape Architecture, and Rick Rossi of Rossi, Malavasi who will handle the engineering for the project. He explained that parks which are most successful are the ones planned with the help of citizens who have an interest in the Outcome. The planning process must incorporate those interests. The planning process consists of three steps: Analyze the site and frame the parameters in which the park can be defined. After the parameters are framed, they will pose the choices of program, level of use, design, how much will be spent and where will the money come from. Once a consensus is reached, the master plan will be finalized. Jerry Marsten and Cathy O'Leary displayed maps depicting the Intracoastal park site. Ms. O'Leary explained the site is within One-half mile of the Boynton Inlet, bounded on the east by the intracoastal Waterway, on the north by Rumbottoms Restaurant, on the south by Water's Edge and on the east by Federal Highway. It is within a five-minute walk of the condominium complex, Boat Club Park and the Boynton mobile village. The existing con- iditions on the site have been documented. It is sparsely vege- tated. There are some Australian Pines and various palms. Water and sewer are existing on the site as well as overhead utilities to the north and south and along Federal Highway. Mayor Weiner questioned the length of the north side (water side) of the site. The north-south dimensions are between 500' to 600'. It is a very deep lot. - 2 - MINUTES - JOINT WORKSHOP OF CITY COMMISSION AND RECREATION & PARKS BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA SEPTEMBER 30, 1991 Commissioner Aguila wondered if there were any mangroves, sen- sitive vegetation or wildlife species which would be affected by this development. Ms. O'Leary stated there is one mangrove spe- cies adjacent to the waterfront. They have been advised of the presence of eagles, egrets and manatees at the site. No detailed underwater investigation has been conducted yet. Looking to the north, there is a ficus hedge along the parking lot. Mr. Marsten summarized the conditions on the site. On the western portion of the perimeter of the site, Federal Highway and the FEC Railroad exist. Constraint issues will be faced regarding traffic and congestion. On the northern boundary of the site there is a parking lot for Rumbottoms Restaurant. This is a visual constraint because it will have to be screened. However, it can provide overflow Parking. Rumbottoms can also ~generate activity to the area. The Intracoastal waterfront pro- ivides opportunities. The residents on the south side need to be !protected. Since this is a very deep parcel, many activities can be provided on this site. Mr. Marsten feels development should be layered with the least intensive development being along the residential boundary. Intensity can be increased to the north. Mr. Fernsler stated the five questions which were posed to the citizens of the City as follows: 1. What recreation activities does the City need? 2. What types of activities will work well at this site? 3. What activities will not work well? Is there a need for an overall theme and what should that be? 5. Who should the park serve? They received a great deal of input. With regard to theme, the citizens were interested in protecting the environment, par- ticularly the seagrasses and manatees, protect the neighbors and providing activities which will serve the entire community. Three possible themes have evolved which include a passive park with an identity derived from an environmental restoration back to what it might have been forty years ago. This would minimize public access, limit noise, reintroduce native plants and trees to the area and recreate lagoon features. It was also suggested that mangroves be introduced to the water's edge. A boardwalk was discussed as a viewing area. Suggestions were made regarding - 3 - MINUTES - JOINT WORKSHOP OF CITY COMMISSION AND RECREATION & PARKS BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA SEPTEMBER 30, 1991 enlarging the beach and providing jogging trails and picnic areas. Theme 2 involved serving the entire community for civic events, special events and arts activities. A bandshell structure was discussed in addition to a picnic area. The third theme is a more intense version of the civic use which would involve the creation of a civic center. MAYOR WEINER OPENED THE PUBLIC AUDIENCE. Marina Haberman, 712 NE 20th Lane, spoke about the idea of having a park next to the Water's Edge community. She stated that every city has an identifiable park. Boynton Beach does not. This park could provide educational experiences for children, picnic areas, walking and jogging trails for the citizens. She Suggested nature be enhanced and stated her neighbors at Water's Edge agree with her. Lee Buffan, 2563 SW 10th Street, supports the development of the site into an arts park where functions such as the G.A.L.A. can be held. Lengthy remarks followed; a copy which is attached to the original copy of these minutes on file in the City Clerk's Office. As Bob Borovy approached the podium, Mayor Weiner stated she is embarrassed by the small veterans park in Boynton Beach. It is below-standard and Mayor Weiner stated that one of these future parks will be a place to honor the veterans. Bob Borov¥, 2521 SW 11 Street, is Chairman of the Veterans' Council and Past Commander of American Legion Post 164 and Past Commander of the llth District. He explained he works on the ROTC Committee, the Baseball Committee, Oratorical and the School Medal Awards. All of the programs are oriented toward the younger people of the community. He explained the Veterans' Council plants 700 crosses at the cemetery and therefore, there exists a large veterans population in the City. He asked for consideration to have the rock moved and a large flag pole installed at the park. He suggested a monument be installed when funds are available. MAYOR WEINER CLOSED THE PUBLIC AUDIENCE. Comments from Board Members and Commissioners A year ago, George Smith wrote a note to Mr. Frederick with some suggestions regarding the Intracoastal site. He read from the - 4 - MINUTES - JOINT WORKSHOP OF CITY COMMISSION AND RECREATION & PARKS BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA SEPTEMBER 30, 1991 note. His suggestions included facilities similar to those at Boat Club Park with trailer parking and restrooms. He suggested a playground for handicapped children and a tot park. He asked for a teen center. Commissioner Matson pointed out there will be a Teen Room at Ezell Hester Park. He is also impressed with the idea of a bandshell and would support it 100%. Betty Thomas feels there are many opportunities with this site because of the combination of water and land. The muck area would supply a study area for school children. A boardwalk would provide an area for studying the sea life. A bandshell is a necessity as well as an area for artists to display their work. The park should include a passive area for relaxation and a pic- nic area. She would also like to see the veterans area incor- porated into this park. She is concerned, however, about the parking situation. Nathaniel Weinshel feels each City is judged by its recreational activities. This park cannot be used for all functions. This land is quite expensive and should include a beach, boardwalk, playground and picnic area. He is against a civic center on this site. He also sees problems with a bandshell because of the parking situation and the fact that a residential area borders the property. Edward Harris would like this park developed for people of all ages. The area could be utilized for science study by school ~children as well as having a playground, picnic area and band- shell. He is in favor of a veterans area and supports the total development of this property. Dr. Pat Shepherd would like to have a boardwalk and educational area as well as an arts area. There should be room enough for a picnic area, a passive area and a veterans area. Commissioner Aguila feels there are a lot of possibilities on this site. He would like to see Mrs. Buffan's suggestions happen in the downtown area. He would like to retain and enhance the natural environment along the waterfront. Citizens should be able to use the site for educational purposes and pleasure. He does not favor a bandshell in this area. He would like very quiet, family-oriented activities in this park. This park should not be overdeveloped. Commissioner Matson feels the surrounding area must be con- sidered. Boat Club Park is 800' to the south. That would elimi- :nate the need for additional boat ramps. She does not favor a bandshell in this area because of the residential area. She feels the environment should be protected and preserved and pre- - 5 - MINUTES - JOINT WORKSHOP OF CITY COMMISSION AND RECREATION & PARKS BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA SEPTEMBER 30, 1991 fers a quiet, reflective park with nature studies for children and a place for veterans. Commissioner Artis was in agreement but would also like to see a jogging trail. She would prefer a boardwalk to be used for observation and educational purposes. She would like a playground area with wooden equipment. She is not in favor of boat trailers being parked in this area and was undecided about the bandshell suggestion. A place for veterans should be con- sidered at this location. Vice Mayor Harmening reiterated this is a very expensive site and feels all ages of citizens should be able to enjoy it. The design should include features that benefit the citizens and incorporate the water. This park would be an excellent location for a veterans park. The residents of Water's Edge must be pro- tected. Disruptive events should be buffered and located as far away from the residential area as possible. During the week there is adequate parking at Boat Club Park. There is addi- tional parking available adjacent to the Royal Palm Clubhouse. It is his feeling that the bandshell would be better at Quantum Park where there are no residents to be disturbed. He believes the consultants and Recreation & Parks will come up with some very good suggestions. Mayor Weiner stated she would like to use Rumbottoms as a civic center. It has been a disaster for all the people around it. She does not favor a bandshell in this park because of the disturbance to the surrounding residents. A corner of this park could be dedicated to the veterans. An arts section is a very good idea. She would like a central lake, possibly including a stream. Picnic areas are utilized in all parks and would attract families to this area. The community to the south must be buf- fered. Mayor Weiner does not want mangroves introduced into this area. They are very difficult and expensive to deal with. Shade trees and benches are necessary. Mayor Weiner suggested the waterfront be tiered so it will create more area for people to view the waterway. In response to a question from Mayor Weiner, Mr. Frederick responded that Boynton Beach will need two additional boat ramps iby the year 1995. We are not mandated for those boat ramps and the elements of the Comprehensive Plan can be amended. Mr. Weinshel pointed out that boaters come to Boynton's boat ramp from as far away as Boca Raton and Jupiter. He suggested a fee might cut down on the amount of boats being launched from this ramp. He believes a passive park, buffering Water's Edge with a boardwalk would be a wonderful place. - 6 - MINUTES - JOINT WORKSHOP OF CITY COMMISSION AND RECREATION & PARKS BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA SEPTEMBER 30, 1991 Mr. Fernsler will bring back three explicit choices with regard to the program, design, and cost. They will develop several variations for review. They are sympathetic to environmental conservation and a civic-oriented park including a bandshell. These designs will also show three variations of park intensity. However, he asked for direction on whether or not to include boat ramps and a bandshell. There was a general consensus there be no boat ramps, bandshell or civic center included in the plans. Mayor Weiner reminded Mr. Fernsler that the demographics of Boynton Beach are changing. There are a lot more young people entering the City who need places to go. The parks should include attractions for children. Jerry Marsten wondered if the Board would be interested in a two- story screened picnic pavillion which would face the water. Mayor Weiner asked for this to be included in one of the schemes. DISCUSSION OF FOUR (4) PARK SITES A. Jim Park - Gee & Jenson 1. Meadows ~1 and ~2 Mr. Frederick introduced Jim Park and announced that the Meadows park sites would be handled first, followed by Quantum Park and, lastly, the Boynton Lakes site. Jim Park is Manager of Planning and Landscape Architecture for Gee & Jenson. He explained the people of the communities involved have been quite helpful. These parks are neighborhood parks. Neighborhood parks should be five (5) acres in size. Meadows Site 91 is only four (4) acres. However, if this is expanded in the future, it will be approximately eight (8) to nine (9) acres. He explained that Quantum Park is a district park which will have lighted courts and ball fields. Gee & Jenson has looked at the capacity of the park along with other concerns such as what is surrounding it and what are the environmental conditions. They also investigated to see what kind of population the park will be serving as well as what the City feels is important and what can be afforded. If good value return is expected, activities must be included to attract people. Meadows Site 91 is located on Meadows Boulevard. It does not have any landscaping. There is a high point on this site which would be the place to locate a pavillion. There is no adjacency of residences along this site. - 7 - MINUTES - JOINT WORKSHOP OF CITY COMMISSION AND RECREATION, & PARKS BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA SEPTEMBER 30, 1991 With regard to Meadows Site #2, the canal comes along the south side of this site. It is seven (7) acres in size. However, the backyards of residences abut the site. Congress Avenue will have a serious affect on the property because of the volume of traffic, the level of noise and the problem of safety. It will be necessary to take great care in what use is put on the Congress Avenue side. Fencing is also a consideration. Immediately to the north is the Meadows recreation area which includes tennis courts, picnic areas and restrooms. The residents feel there is no need for additional restrooms and picnic facilities. They would like an area devoted to children, a sitting area, and a basketball court or half court. A heart trail could be considered. For the first phase, a picnic pavillion, trees for shade, water fountain, playground area for small children and benches would be installed. On the Meadows %2 site, active recreation can be put on the east Side. During discussions with residents, the possibility of working out an arrangement where the private facilities of the Meadows 300 Association could be conveyed to the City, was men- tioned. If that occurs, then the active recreational uses could be moved to that area and the new park could be made all passive. A low-key field could be considered with concentration on landscaping on the east and west sides. Public restrooms have been questioned at all the parks. There is a slight depression on Site %2 which can be made into a pond or can be refilled to eliminate it. Since there was no representation from the Meadows, the Board members and Commissioners presented their comments. George Smith attended some of the meetings and had read at least 100 letters from residents. He was dismayed at the attitude of many of the citizens. Most of the residents want all passive parks with no recreation or comfort stations. He wondered what iopportunities were being provided for the youth between twelve ~and twenty. He felt the residents' concerns about buffering and !sound barriers should be considered. He questioned whether the senior citizens had forgotten what it was like when they were children and when they had children at home. He feels a park should have something for all ages and at the same time, protect the surrounding residents. In response to a question from Mayor Weiner, Mr. Frederick stated that most of the residents who attended the meetings concerning the Meadows sites were in the middle-age, family-age bracket, whereas those in Boynton Lakes were in the retired-age category. There was no major opposition from the Meadows residents. They were in agreement on the site development. - 8 - MINUTES - JOINT WORKSHOP OF CITY COMMISSION AND RECREATION & PARKS BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA SEPTEMBER 30, 1991 Betty Thomas attended all of the meetings which had been con- ducted. She agreed with Mr. Clark that the two small areas should be passive parks and the four-acre site should be an extremely passive park with a gazebo for shade. She feels there could be an undesignated play field on the larger park site. She favors a spray pool for children in the four-acre park. A bike trail would be favorable in the seven-acre park. Nathaniel Weinshel suggested the four-acre park be a passive park with a playground. The seven-acre park can be active because of its location on Congress Avenue. It can contain a field for recreation for older children. The residents of the area should not be affected by the noise level of the children playing. Mr. Frederick pointed out that the residents of the Meadows did not object to some active use. They do not want totally passive parks. They want a place for the children to play. Mr. Frederick questioned the thoughts of the Commission and Board members regarding the suggestion of the City taking over the pri- vate recreational facilities at the Meadows and making those facilities available to the public. Vice Mayor Harmening suggested Mr. Frederick make inquiries. Edward Harris would like the four-acre site to be a passive park. The seven-acre park should be developed, but keep the activity away from the residents and not too close to Congress Avenue for ~safety reasons. Dr. Shepherd feels the four-acre site should be a passive park and the suggestions of the residents of the Meadows should be followed. He would favor a sand volleyball area on the seven- acre site. In any event, the seven-acre park should be an active park. With regard to the four-acre site, Vice Mayor Harmening agrees with the suggestions made by the residents of the Meadows area. !He felt that caution must be used when erecting barriers which will make policing difficult. He also had no problem with the suggestions for the seven-acre site. The area is large enough to ihave volleyball and basketball courts and even courts for smaller ~children. He did not see the need for tennis courts. However, if iit is determined there will be a need for additional tennis courts, then possibly one can be put at this site. Commissioner Artis agreed with the suggestions of the residents. Commissioner Matson pointed out that there will be four parks within a short distance of each other. One of the parks will be - 9 - MINUTES - JOINT WORKSHOP OF CITY COMMISSION AND RECREATION & PARKS BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA SEPTEMBER 30, 1991 a huge regional park, two neighborhood parks in the Meadows and one in Boynton Lakes. One of these parks will severely impact the neighborhood. There should not be repetition because of their closeness to each other. For the four-acre site, she would favor a fenced playground area with wooden apparatus for small children which could be located at the rear of the site, with a gazebo to provide shade for the parents. A spray pool, water fountains and a sandbox could also be part of this park. The seven-acre site could contain activities for the older children. This could include playground apparatus for older children, sand volleyball, a bike trail, and bicycle racks. She could not fore- see the homeowners' association sharing their amenities with the City. However, it would be a wonderful idea if they do decide to do this. She suggested caution be used in the planning of acti- vities close to Congress Avenue. Commissioner Aguila thinks the four-acre park should be very passive with some playground equipment for younger children. The ~seven-acre site could accommodate team sports for older children. He felt the people stated what they want and need and those suggestions should be followed. Phil Cestero, 11711 Northlake Drive, represented American Legion Baseball Post 164. He is active with the youth activities of iPost 164 and is Baseball Chairman and the current State of Florida District 11 Baseball Chairman. His request is that the ~plans contain provisions for a major league baseball field. The ~American Legion Baseball program involves baseball players who are serious about the sport. The current facilities do not meet the specifications for major league baseball. They are currently ~playing in Lantana at the Montreal Expos complex. There was dif- ficulty in securing permits for all of the games this year because of competition. The Montreal Expos plan to close two of the four fields currently existing. The American Legion feels this site lends itself to fields for major league baseball. These fields would allow American Legion Baseball to expand their program from age 13 through age 19. Mayor Weiner asked for more details on the differences between a major league field and that of Little League. Mr. Cestero pointed out that dimensions down each of the lines should be between 300-320 feet, and center field should be 400-420 feet. These dimensions are suitable for high school games and American Legion games. Little League requires 180-200' dimensions down the lines and about the same in center field. Commissioner Aguila questioned what percentage of the park the two baseball fields would encompass. Mr. Park showed the loca- - 10 - MINUTES - JOINT WORKSHOP OF CITY COMMISSION AND RECREATION & PARKS BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA SEPTEMBER 30, 1991 tions of the fields on the maps and stated they would attempt to work out a field which would overlap the outfield. He stated such a plan would preclude an outfield fence. Mr. Cestero pointed out that an outfield fence is a necessity. Mr. Park will bring back some concepts for review. Joe Quantrillo, 13 Chesterfield Drive, explained there is such a thing as a ball field within a ball ~ield. These fields contain movable bases. With regard to Quantum Park, he favored a bandshell at this location. He pointed out there would not be enough parking area in downtown to accommodate the Parking of 500 to 1,000 cars. Jeanne Pilgrim, 25 Parkland Circle, discussed the Quantum Park site. She questioned the size of Quantum Park as compared to Caloosa Park. She was advised that Quantum is seventeen acres and Caloosa is sixty acres. She stated that Caloosa is the only place children can go, with the exception of the Little League fields, to play any sports. She pointed out that not very much can be put on seventeen acres of land. George Smith feels Quantum Park would be a great place for a par 3 golf course. It would be profit making. Children and senior citizens, who could no longer play a full course, could benefit from such an activity. He also suggested pitch & putt. Children love that activity. He also thought miniature golf courses would be a profit maker at the site. Betty Thomas asked for consideration for a teen center at this location. The teens need somewhere to go. This would be a secure area and could be closed after the finish of the games in the evening. It is accessible by bus transportation, and from Congress by bicycles. Nathaniel Weinshel feels this should be an active daytime area for ball games. He pointed out that there will be a teen center at Hester Park. He suggested pursuing the issue of obtaining two to three more acres of land at this site. Eddie Harris also felt that the addition of that land would be a tremendous help. He sees the need for these lighted fields and supports the construction of two baseball fields. Dr. Shepherd feels two ball fields are very important and a soccer field would be a welcome addition. Restrooms and picnic areas are also necessary. He also feels there should be no con- necting entrances to the site. Mayor Weiner would like something developed in the wetlands. suggested a boardwalk or nature trail be developed. She - 11 - *should be Pontrello, 13 East Chesterfiel MINUTES - JOINT WORKSHOP OF CITY COMMISSION AND RECREATION & PARKS BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA SEPTEMBER 30, 1991 Vice Mayor Harmening feels this site offers the opportunity for a very active park. He pointed out the need for parks with inten- sive activities. With over 1,000 children using the fields on Woolbright, it is time for additional fields. He suggested the designers keep in mind the fact that all of the parks compliment and supplement each other. Commissioner Artis asked Mr. Frederick about the possibility of an amphitheater at this site. He pointed out that until the square footage is worked out, this question is difficult to answer. This concept will be worked. However, when multiple ball fields are involved, parking demands increase which require a great deal of space. Commissioner Artis wondered whether the additional land could be donated to the City. Mr. Frederick will make some inquires. Commissioner Matson read from the City's Comprehensive Plan with regard to district parks. She pointed out that district parks are distinguished from neighborhood parks by their large service areas and the special nature of activities offered. Facilities included are used less frequently by residents. These facilities include lighted ball diamonds, boat ramps, swimming pools, beaches, fishing areas, etc. Also, a portion should be set aside for playgrounds and basketball courts to serve the daily recreational needs of residents. The minimum standard is 2½ acres per 1,000 persons with a minimum size of approximately 10 acres. She feels the City needs lighted ball fields; however, the lighting should be directed away from Dos Lagos and Boynton Lakes on the northern border. Nothing should be put into the parks which is cost prohibitive to residents. The park should be free and utilized by everyone. She suggested skateboard ramps be installed. If an agreement cannot be worked out at the Meadows, she would like to see tennis courts at Quantum Park. In her opi- nion, it should be a full, active recreational park. Commissioner Aguila pointed out this is a small site. He does not see neighborhood daytime activities at this park. The other three parks should handle the daytime activities. Lighted evening activites should be conducted at this site. Residents to the northwest must be protected. Commissioner Aguila would like to see some alternative outdoor activities other than baseball in at least one scheme such as a bandshell. This site is difficult because of its shape. Mr. Park would like to do an overlay scheme showing the dif- ference the acquisition of the additional space would make to the site. - 12 - MINUTES - JOINT WORKSHOP OF CITY COMMISSION AND RECREATION & PARKS BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA SEPTEMBER 30, 1991 3. Boynton Lakes Site Mayor Weiner expressed her hope that this meeting would be calmer than past meetings. She pointed out this is not the end of the parks in Boynton Beach. Boynton Beach will be going west with additional parks being built in that area. Quantum Park and the Intracoastal Park will be built in phases. She hoped that Boynton Lakes will be able to make some decisions on what is wanted and needed in that area. George Smith suggested that all of the City's concentration go into developing Quantum Park since it is the largest site and provides more activities for the public. The other parks are all passive and should only be kept neat until Quantum is completed. Mayor Weiner thought this sounded like a good idea, but explained there is no money available now. When funds become available, Quantum might be the place to start. Mr. Park stated there is no consensus from the residents with regard to this park. There was a good exchange of ideas, but the most serious concern about its development is the fact that homes surround the entire site. There is no vegetation existing. There is a lake which is owned by the homeowners' association. It is a very visible site. Boynton Lakes Boulevard borders one side of the park which inhibits the use of the park. It is possible to create barriers along the edge of this park. The site is large enough to accommodate a Little League field; however, the residents are not in favor of such an activity. The residents are concerned about attracting outsiders to their neighborhood. They are concerned with their security. Having a recreational facility within 300' of a residential area is a serious constraint. Most of the residents have agreed that a playground with playground apparatus for tots would be an accep- table use. A heart trail would be acceptable along with landscaping, shade, sitting area, water fountain and gazebo. Restrooms and active areas are not acceptable by the residents. One other idea was discussed. If a water area is desirable in the City, the dirt necessary for some of the other parks could be obtained from this park. However, the stormwater retention area is under private ownership and there are legal complications because of the private owner.ship. Mort Rosenblatt, 25 Paxford Lane. He asked for clarification regarding who owns the property where the park touches the lake. It was pointed out that the homeowners' association owns property around the edge of the lake. He stated that if the people want a passive park, then that is the best use which can be made of the property. - 13 - MINUTES - JOINT WORKSHOP OF CITY COMMISSION. AND RECREATION & PARKS BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA SEPTEMBER 30, 1991 Jeanne Pilgrim, 25 Parkland Circle, pointed out that younger people are moving into Boynton Beach. She feels that children Should not have to cross Congress Avenue to enjoy a park and explained that even the School District does not ask the children to cross Congress Avenue. She stated that children will have to go "over the river and through the woods" to get to Quantum Park. She wants a neighborhood park. Boynton Lakes is a family com- munity and the children need activity. She agreed this is not the perfect spot for a park, but that is what is available. She objected to having only a tot park and a senior citizens trail. The many children in Boynton Lakes need recreational activities. She pointed out that the senior citizens walk in the malls because they do not go out in the heat. She feels they will not Use the park from May through September, but the children will use the facilities all year. Because this is a family community, She suggested the park have activities for all ages. Linda Grub, 6 Redford Drive, lives in Boynton Lakes North. She expressed two serious concerns with the development of the park. One of the problems deals with the fact that the closest access to the park is a private street. The homeowners' association maintains the street. Additional traffic will require more main- tenance which the homeowners will have to pay for. The more serious problem'is the proximity of the lake to the park pro- perty. She spoke with the insurance agent and was advised that Boynton Lakes North will be liable if a child is injured or drowned in that lake. It was originally thought they could get protection through a letter from the City which would release them from liability. That is not the case. They would only be able to indemnify themselves by taking out additional liability insurance which would be a hardship to the homeowners. If they should be sued above their existing limits, every homeowner could be sued to the extent of the value of their homes. She does not feel anything that encourages unsupervised use of a park by a minor should be permitted. With regard to her statements about liability, Commissioner Aguila assumed negligence would have to be proven. Ms. Grub's agent said that is not true. iBeverly Rosenblatt, 25 Paxford Lane, is not a retired person who has grandchildren who enjoy parks. She is happy there will be basketball courts at the Meadows site. She stated there is a traffic signal on Congress Avenue now and it is quite safe icrossing that roadway. She is against outsiders entering Boynton ~Lakes to use park facilities. She wants a passive park. She pointed out that Savannah, Georgia has twenty-two passive parks which contain no facilities. They exist for beautification pur- poses. - 14 - MINUTES - JOINT WORKSHOP OF CITY COMMISSION AND RECREATION & PARKS BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA SEPTEMBER 30, 1991 John Kelly, 5 East Chesterfield Drive, spoke about the noise that Would be generated generated from that area. There are many senior citizens in the area and he feels his investment should afford him a peaceful home setting. Richard Roeding, 3 Garwood Way, sympathized with those residents Who want an active park. Boynton Lakes North is not the place for it because of its shape. He suggested putting a pitch & putt course on this site if a passive park is not chosen. This would be a quiet activity and would not cause distress to the senior citizens. He also stated that a passive park, with nature trails, would be acceptable. It is his feeling that an active park would be a catastrophe. Barbara Nock, a resident, suggested the people be given what they Want. They want a passive park with a heart trail. They want a place where they can sit in the shade and enjoy the area. Natalie Irwin, 3 Hastings Lane has lived in Boynton Lakes North for four Years and is not retired. She is concerned about noise and crime and she favors the idea of a quiet, passive park. Joe Quantrillo, 13 Chesterfield, worked for the Town of Hempstead on Long Island in New York. He explained that in that town, there were 3% parks. A developer must leave 3% of the property green. Then the people decide what they want in that area. Comfort stations had to be removed from these parks because of vandalism by the youths. In this area, he supports a passive park with no comfort stations. He supports a heart trail, park benches, water fountains and landscaping. Jennifer Mahone¥, 8 Seaford Place, instituted the program PARKS. iShe obtained over 100 signatures of residents who want a park which will fill everyone's needs. She is concerned about ~security in the area, but feels the children need a place other ithan the streets to play. She requested consideration for the people who want a more active park. iBob Matson, 1 West Chesterfield Dr., is the Chairman of iMaintenance and Engineering of Boynton Lakes North Homeowners' Association. He suggested care be taken in what goes into this ,area because whatever it is will impact the homeowners' asso- iciation. He mentioned the shopping center which will be Constructed and the problem of traffic which will be increased in iithe area. He wondered if decals would have to be issued to keep !ioutsiders from parking in the Boynton Lakes North parking area and whether or not a 24-hour guard would be necessary. ~Mort Rosenblatt, 25 Paxford Lane, lives on the lake and paid extra money for that privilege. He stated 150 names were *should be Verwood Way *should be 11 Hawthorne Lane - 15 -*should be Pontrello, 13 East Chesterfield *should be 10 Seaford Place MINUTES - JOINT WORKSHOP OF CITY COMMISSION AND RECREATION & PARKS BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA SEPTEMBER 30, 1991 obtained favoring a passive park. He does not want the noise of an active park. Ed Dainiak, 13 Paxford Lane, is the person responsible for obtaining the 150 signatures. He got signatures from owners only. He claims the people who signed for an active park will not be around. The renters leave and the homeowners will be left with a park they don't want. The people want a passive park. George Smith feels a park should have something for people of all ages. He also agrees there should be very little duplication of activities at any of these parks because of their close proximity to each other. Betty Thomas stated the residents want large trees which would provide shade for a passive park. It is a nice residential area and a passive park would enhance it. Pat Shepherd would like to see some designs and then comment after that. Vice Mayor Harmening agreed with Mr. Shepherd. He would like to see how the consultants design the park and then make a decision. Commissioner Artis agrees with the residents and goes along with the suggestion of a passive park. Commissioner Matson read the description of a neighborhood park from the Comprehensive Plan. The developer of Boynton Lakes North should have planned something for the children. Boynton Lakes North has concurrency and impact fees. With regard to the roadways, the homeowners will have to pay to repair them. The residents around the lake need protection. Boynton Lakes North is 60% older residents. She would like to see a walking trail. There can be playgrounds to accommodate children up to age 10. Playground equipment can be strong and safe. Fountains can be installed. Baseball, basketball, parking and bathrooms will impact the community. The residents want a passive park and she supports them. Commissioner Aguila feels this park is the clearest of them all to him. This site lends itself to a great deal of passive and active activity which would be in harmony with the residents. It should be heavily landscaped around the perimeter. He does not suggest field-type sports. It would be a mistake to put in basketball courts or tennis. He would suggest walking paths with low lighting, seating areas and play areas. Both young families and the elderly can be satisfied in this park. *should read Boynton Lakes North has no concurrency, and impact fees. - 16 - MINUTES - JOINT WORKSHOP OF CITY COMMISSION AND RECREATION & PARKS BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA SEPTEMBER 30, 1991 Mayor Weiner stated it is for the residents to decide what to do with this park. The decision must not be made now. She Suggested that the architect could put this site at the bottom of his list to afford time for the residents to decide. If a passive park with a heart trail is what the residents want, that Will be fine. If more is wanted, that can also be'done. ADJOURNMENT There being no further business, the meeting properly adjourned at 11:00 p.m. T H~~,'I'~_F~ BiyN~~~~ayo r ATTEST-. Cit~Clerk ' Recording Secretary (Four Tapes) Vice Mayor - 17 - LEE BUFFAN SEPTEMBER 26, 1991 2563 SW 10%h ST, BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA 33426 737-8486 ~-~[SPOSITION OF 1~ ACRES OF PROPERTY OF BOYNTON BEACH - PARKS AND RECREATION DEPT. MY NAME IS LEE BUFFAN , LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I THANK YOU FOR THE INVITATION TO PRESENT AN OPINION ON THE TYPE OF PARK TO BE DEVELOPED ON THE I~ACRES ON N. FEDEP, AL. THE~TOPIC~': DEVELOPMENT OF BOYNTON BEACH : HAS BEEN A TOPIC I HAVE HEARD DISCUSSED SINCE MY FIRST VISIT SOME YEARS BEFORE 1973 WHEN I FIRST NECAMEA PROPERTY OWNER. THE IDEAS ARE DIVERSE, CONFLICTING, AT CROSS PURPOSES BUT ALWAYS PRESENTED IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF BOYNTON. MY STATEMENTS TONIGHT ARE PRESENTED IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF BOYNTONAND ITS CITIZENRYT--ANYCOMMUNITYMUST BE CONSTANTLY RENEWED AND DEVELOPED OR BECOME DECADENT. MY SUGGESTIONS FOR THE USE OF THE t~ ACRES TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION. I PROPOSE THE PROPERTY BE DEVELOPED INTO AN ARTS PARK. A PARK WHEREMAJOR~ ~ FUNCTIONS SUCH AS THE GALA, THE SEAFOOD FEST, THE VARIOUS CELEBRATIONS, A~WELL AS PERFORMANCES BYARTISTS AND CONCERTS OF ATI. KINDS MAY BE HELD. NOW? WE MIGHT CONSIDER A UTILITARIAN STRUCTURE WHICH CAN ACCOMODATE BOTH INDDORANDOUTDOOR AUDIENCES. -AN INDOOR AUDIENCE OF 1500 AND THE OUTDOOR BLANKET CROWD ON THE LAWN. HOW? BY 'OPENING WALLS. THEY MIGHT EVEN BE RAISED AND HOOKED UP ,IKE THE OLD FASHIONED WIS[DOWS OF A BARN. WHERE. TO PARK, YOU ASK? IF THAT IS .... ..N ISSUE, THEN PEOPLE COULD PARK IN CITY PARKING LOTS AND BE BUSSED IN. THAT IS DONE IN MANY COMMUNITIES. THOSE ARE ITEMS OF ALATER DATE, .TONIGHT MIGHT BE PREMATURE. SEVERAL YEARS AGO A PROPOSED CIVIC CENTER WAS SHELVED. ~OME OF THOSE PLANS MIGHT LEND THEMSELVES TO ADAPTABILITY. A PARK OF THIS NATURE WOULD NOT COMPETE WITH KRAVIS CENTER OR THE REFURBISHED WPB AUDITORIUM BUT IN TRUTH WOULD ENHANCE THEM BY CREATING AND DEVELOPING NEW POTENTIAL AUDIENCES. BOYNTON BEACH, MOST'OF US KNOW, ALREADY POSSESSES THE MUNICIPAL STRUCTURE, AND THECULTURAL ORGANIZATIONS AND CITIZENS WHO HAVE THE CAPACITY, EXPERIENCE, WILLINGNESS, ANDTHE PROVEN TRACK RECORD TO DEVEOP PROGRAMS AND HELP SERVE THE CENTER. WE CANNOT OVERLOOK THE REALITY THAT SMALL TOWNS ALL OVER THE NATION ARE MARKETING THEMSELVES TO ATTRACT NEW RETIREES AND WORKING RESIDENTS...AS WE ALL KNOW, RETIREES BRING WITH THEM THEIR KNOWLEDGE, EXPERIENCE, AND RESOURCES--AND THE TOWN IN TURN REAPS THE BENEFITS, INCLUDING FINANCIAL. AN ARTS PARK WOULD BE AN ATTRACTION AND PROVIDE AN ECONOMIC AND CULTURAL ~IMPACT. IT WOULD PROVIDE ENRICH~ES~ TO.THOSE CITIZENS WHO ARE NOW HERE AND DRAW UHOSEWHO WOULD COME BECAUSE BOYNTON WOULD BE A "PLACE TO DO THINGS" ...... WHICH IS WHAT MOST PEOPLE AND MOST CORPORATIONS ASK ABOUT A COMMUNITY, "WHAT IS THERE TO DO THERE .... WHAT DOES IT OFFER?" WHAT DOES BOYNTON OFFER? WHY CAN'TARTS P~BE THE PLACE "TO DO THINGS" AND DO THEM IN A STYLE -- BEFITTING BOYNTON BEACH? THANK YOU. II. City of Boynton Beach Workshop City Commission/Recreation & Park Board September 30, 1991 I. OPENING A. Call to Order OPENING COMMENTS - MAYOR WEINER III. IV. VI. VII. 7:00 P.M. A. Introduction of Recreation and Park Board B. Format for Workshop OVERVIEW OF PARK PLANNING AND ACTION TO DATE A. Recreation & Park Director - Charles C. Frederick DISCUSSION OF THE TEN (10) ACRE INTRACOASTAL PARK SITE A. John Fernsler: Wallace-Roberts-Todd B. Commission & Board Discussion DISCUSSION OF FOUR (4) PARK SITES A. Jim Park: Gee & Jenson B. Commission & Board Discussion 1. Meadows %1 and ~2 2. Quantum Site 3.'" Boynton Lakes Site SUMMARY ADJOURNMENT