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Minutes 05-22-86MINUTES OF WORKSHOP MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD HELD IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, CITY HALL, BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA, THURSDAY, MAY 22, 1986 AT 4:00 P. M. PRESENT Walter "Marty" Trauger, Chairman George deLong Marilyn G. Huckle John Pagliarulo Simon Ryder Robert Wandelt ABSENT Garry Winter, Vice Chairman Norman Gregory, Alternate William Schultz, Alternate Carmen S. Annunziato, Director of Planning Tim Cannon, Senior City Planner Chairman Trauger called the meeting to order at 4:10 P. M. and recognized the presence in the audience of City Manager Cheney and Owen Anderson, Executive vice President, Greater Boynton Beach Chamber of Commerce. Mr. Cannon requested that the Board consider the Recreation, Water and Sewer, and Solid Waste portions of the Evaluation and Appraisal Report tonight. Page 132 - RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE ELEMENT Mr. Cannon informed the Members that this element was written almost entirely by Charles Frederick, Director of Parks and Recreation. Some changes Mr. Frederick wished to make were on a Memorandum dated May 15, 1986 from him to Mr. Annunziato. Page 134 Current and Future Park Needs This element started out with an analysis of both the city's current and future park needs. In the middle of the page was a figure of 410 acres for a current demand and a demand of 810 acres by the year 2010. The standard Mr. Frederick is using is a standard of 10 acres per 1,000 persons. The City's current inventory of park land is 80 acres, but if you add up the number of acres that could possibly be added to the City's park area and also add on some of the school recrea- tion areas, Mr. Cannon said you would find the City actually has about 300 acres of park land. In addition to that, - 1 - MINUTES - WORKSHOP MEETING PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA MAY 22, 1986 there are probably about 100 acres of private recreation areas in the City, which would bring the city up to about 400 acres. Mr. Cannon said much of the acreage the City will need by 2010 will eventually be accommodated by the County through their metropolitan parks. Out of the demand of 10 acres per 1,000 persons, he anticipated Palm Beach County would provide half. This was the source of some misunderstanding between Mr. Frederick and the Planning Department. Based on the 10 acres per 1,000, the Planning Department had recommended that the city's parks and dedication requirement be increased to approximately 10 acres per 1,000. The Recreation Director corrected the Planning Department by informing them that the County is providing much of the acreage so the city's current requirement of about 6 acres per 1,000 should be sufficient. Page 136 District, Metropolitan and Regional Park Needs Mr. Cannon told the Members the city is the provider of the neighborhood and district parks; whereas, the County is the provider of metropolitan and regional parks. Mr. deLong commented that the County has reasons why they pick their basis for statistically projecting needs, and they equate it to thousands of population. It appeared to him that in certain cases they would not have the acreage, and he thought it could be a very disproportionate figure. Of the total acreage the City has now, and if the city had the total acreage needed, Mr. deLong said they would be talking about 10% of the City's land now. In some instances, Mr. deLong thought that could be rather impractical to base it on population. A standard national average for commercial is 8 acres per 1,000, and he wondered if the County took into consideration, when they promulgated this statistical data, that some cities may just not have enough acreage to supply so many acres per 1,000 people. In that case, they should give some thought to what a city can possibly come up with in its total acreage. Getting back to the County's role in providing park area, Mr. Cannon said Palm Beach County has some substantial acreage, such as John Prince Park. The County is also - 2 - MINUTES - WORKSHOP MEETING PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA MAY 22, 1986 contemplating a similar regional park west of Boca Raton. When you consider that acreage and that it is not actually in the City limits, Mr. Cannon thought 1/10th of the city's area comes down to a reasonable number. Mr. deLong felt the way they were getting the 300 number was by throwing in Caloosa Park and other areas into it. Apparently, 80 acres now is woefully deficient. Mr. Ryder asked if they took into account that sometime in the future, the westerly limits will go to Lawrence Road, which will provide additional land for park purposes. Mr. Cannon answered that the Planning Department does not anticipate that much more park land will be dedicated within the City (probably 50, and at the most, 100 acres). One factor that cuts down the amount of land dedicated for parks is the provision of private recreational facilities in the Planned Unit Developments (PUDs). Developers get 1/2 credit if they provide a package of recreation facilities on site. In a lot of cases, the city does not require dedication of money. Mr. Cannon said there is a provision in the sub- division regulations so the City can request an equivalent amount of dollars. In many cases, the city requests the dollars instead of the acreage and has used those dollars to build recreation facilities. Mr. Ryder pointed out that they would be public facilities. Page 135 Mr. Cannon drew attention to the top of the page and the projection of a deficit in 2010 of 117.6 acres for neighbor- hood park needs. In the first paragraph on page 135, Mr. Cannon stated that 100 to 200 acres could be dedicated, and he told the Members the Parks and Recreation Director questioned that figure. Mr. Cannon thought it may be a little high and stated that, at the most, they will get 100 acres from the additional subdivisions that will be built in the City. Mr. deLong questioned whether the city was getting approxi- mately 40 acres from the Deutsch - Ireland subdivision. Mr. Cannon believed there was a dedication to the city of 17 acres on that site. He thought Mr. deLong was referring to the 40 acres of Sand Pine on the site that will be managed by Deutsch - Ireland. Mr. Annunziato added that the 40 acres will not be open to public recreation. At best, it may be a nature study area, open only under limited conditions at - 3 - MINUTES - WORKSHOP MEETING PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA MAY 22, 1986 limited times. Mr. Frederick interjected that it really was not an increase in park acreage because it is also a land swap. They were only looking at a net of five acres in addi- tion to the city's overall inventory. Mr. Cannon thought another reason why his figure was high was because he counted the number of units in the City where the PUD had been approved, but they are as yet unplatted. In a lot of those cases, the City will be receiving money instead of acreage. Some of that money will go towards build- ing recreational facilities, as opposed to acquiring an equivalent amount of acreage, Mr. Cannon said the first paragraph reiterates that the impact of private recreation facilities will decrease the demand for neighborhood park facilities. Page 136 The second paragraph from the bottom of the page projects that by 2010, there will be a surplus of 3.8 acres of district parks. Mr. Frederick stated in the Plan that the major problem with district parks is the geographic distri- bution of the parks. With the development of the district park at N. W. 19th Avenue and Seacrest, Mr. Cannon said that geographic inequity will be somewhat alleviated. pages 137 and 138 These pages contain policies concerning recreational facilities and needs. Page 141-D The Recreation and Parks Department provided this analysis of what the city's current and future needs for recreational facilities are. page 138 This page states that there is currently a shortage of a community center and two baseball fields. Mr. Cannon said all of these recreation facilities will have to be supple- mented as the City's population expands. Mr. Ryder questioned whether the Planning Department concurred with the recommended changes from Mr. Frederick. Mr. Cannon replied that they "pretty much accepted Mr. - 4 - MINUTES - WORKSHOP MEETING PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA MAY 22, 1986 Frederick's analysis" because Mr. Frederick is the one that knows what the standards are and what is currently in the City. Mr. Frederick clarified that he had worked in conjunction with Wallace and Todd in preparing the initial plan. What he did in the evaluation and appraisal of this plan was follow their format and update the majority of the figures. Mr. Frederick informed Mr. deLong that he was not recommend- ing an increase from 6 per 1,000 to 10. Statistically, Mr. deLong asked if there is any problem with crime in the parks. Mr. Frederick answered, "No", and added that the City's biggest problem in parks is vandalism as it relates to private situations. He thought the City was relatively free of rape and murder situations in the City parks but was not saying that it cannot happen. Page 143 At the top of the page was a listing of the existing school sites for recreation use. The original Comprehensive Plan recommended that as one means of alleviating the shortage of neighborhood parks, the city should cooperate with the Palm Beach County School Board to develop additional recreational facilities at the schools in the City. Chairman Trauger did not see Casa Loma Park listed. Mr. Frederick did not think they classified it as a park because it is a special use site. It was not used in the compila- tion of the acreage figures. Chairman Trauger remarked that the City maintains it. Mr. Frederick agreed and said it probably should be added as a special use site. Pages 142 throuqh 146 Plan Recommendations Mr. Cannon said the recommendations start on page 142. At the bottom of page 143 and continuing through page 146, there is a time table for development of parks in the City. Mr. Cannon noted that some park sites have been dedicated in the new subdivisions in the western portion of town which will have to be developed, in addition to expanding facilities to some of the parks in the older area of town. - 5 - MINUTES - WORKSHOP MEETING PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA MAY 22, 1986 At the bottom of the page begins the listing of specific recreation facilities that need to be emphasized. Page 148 Gymnasium Mr. Cannon pointed out that a gymnasium is not going to be provided at Vo-Tech District Park. However, the City anticipates that they will have a gymnasium at the North District Park site at North Seacrest Boulevard and also a combination auditorium/gymnasium at Congress Avenue Community Park. Beaches Mr. Cannon said the big question at this point is the time table for Palm Beach County, as far as what they are going to do with their beach front park immediately to the north of the city's ocean front park. Mr. Frederick thought it would be a long time before they would see that particular site developed. Ocean Ridge has taken the position that they do not want it developed, but want to maintain the hammock in a preservation state. They do not want parking, rest room facilities, or that type of thing, which are necessary for the public's use. Right now, it is a piece of property that has been setting there for ten years. Mr. Ryder advised that the only way they can go is north. They cannot go. south. Vice Chairman Trauger recalled that when Inlet Park was going to be developed by the County, they thought of running a bus or tram down there. In the next few months, Mr. Frederick said Inlet Park should be into some initial construction. He thought they were beginning to build the section on the south side of the inlet now. Mr. Frederick told Chairman Trauger there has always been conversation about a bus or tram, and he could see in the future where the city may even want to participate with the County and work some type of tram system between the inlet, the City's beach, Gulfstream Park, over to an additional parking area on the west side of the Intracoastal. As the beach demand becomes more important and parking is not there, they will have to come up with some alternatives. Mr. Trauger asked if they were not going to develop the hammock at the same time. Mr. Frederick was not aware of - 6 - MINUTES - WORKSHOP MEETING PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA MAY 22, 1986 that as a part of the discussion but stressed it is a piece of property the City definitely needs. When they talk about the County, Mr. Frederick said they generally talk about the metropolitan regional type park. The County is currently updating their plans, as far as where they are going to provide additional parks in the future, and is looking at sections west of the city's current park. The County classifies its district parks as 100 acres or more and is currently projecting the need for one right now and another one by around 1990. Mr. Frederick continued that the County is currently in the initial stages of looking at properties and incorporating that into their plan projections, so they were looking at approximately two 100 plus acre sites west of Boynton Beach, probably designed similar to the Caloosa Park facility. Mr. Frederick has also been trying to encourage the County's Planning Section to incorporate a regional park directly west of the city. The County's regional parks normally run between 500 and 1,000 acres and are similar to John Prince Park. Mr. Frederick emphasized that the city needs that type of development west of the City so that some major properties will be set aside for parks and recreation. He thought the Board should make sure they try to support that in this Plan. Page 149 Develop water related recreation In order to alleviate the crowded situation at the beaches, Mr. Cannon said one major recommendation was that the City should develop water related recreational areas. Boat Ramp Park has been upgraded and is now being expanded to provide additional parking. Girl Scout Park Mr. Cannon told the Members this property has already been transferred to the City. However, the park site has not been developed yet. Chairman Trauger asked if there were any plans for it to come within the budgeting for the next couple of years. Mr. Frederick replied that the city's objective for the 1986/1987 coming budget year is to do the initial planning and cost estimates for that project and, hopefully, develop it the following year. He informed Chairman Trauger there are a little over five acres in the site. - 7 - MINUTES - WORKSHOP MEETING PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA MAY 22, 1986 Mr. Wandelt entered the meeting at 4:38 P. M. Boat Ramp Park Chairman Trauger noticed they cleared the lot on the side and asked what it would be. Mr. Frederick answered that the City will extend development of the park out to Federal Highway. Part of the new plan is to build a new bait shop. As soon as it is built, the lessee will move into the new shop, and the old bait shop will be torn down. Boat trailer parking, additional picnicking areas, and landscaping will be added. Jaycee Park Mrs. Huckle inquired whether the Jaycees own the park. Mr. Frederick replied that the City leases it and has restrictive use rights. The City has tried to acquire the park, but it is being held as a spoil site. If and when the City can ever get it, they want to fully develop it as a park site. Mr. Frederick thought the Jaycees were responsible for the name "Jaycee Park". Page 150 Park Dedication Mr. Cannon said this gets back to whether the City's current park dedication requirements are adequate. The Planning Department recommended that the City consider requiring approximately 10 acres per 1,000 people. The Recreation Director corrected the Planning Department, saying the County is providing part of that. As a consequence, the current standard of the City, which provides about 6 acres per 1,000, is still adequate. When they say 6 acres per 1,000, Mr. Ryder asked if it included the park areas made available in the private develop- ments, like the ones on Congress Avenue, as well. Mr. Cannon replied that the City has assumed those recreational facili- ties in private developments are accommodating part of that 6 acres per 1,000 figure. Mr. Frederick advised that the formula they use is based on 6 acres per 1,000 equated out to acres per unit, which is like .015 acres per unit for a single family residential area. That is multiplied out x the number of units. That way you can get how many acres they owe the city. - 8 - MINUTES - WORKSHOP MEETING PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA MAY 22, 1986 Mr. Frederick said they basically come at 2.5 acres for neighborhood parks (2.5 acres for community parks per 1,000, and an additional acre for some special uses not in those categories). That is how they get to 6 acres per 1,000. If you look at the third paragraph, "Since ordinance No. 77-36 . . .", Mr. Annunziato said you would get the feeling of the impact of the decision that was made to include in the subdivision regulations the recreation and parks dedications. He said the 69.1 acres are public acres, not including private recreation. The $583,000 with interest, more or less, turns out to be something like $613,000, which the City has used to develop a Congress Avenue tennis center. Some of it has been used at Boat Ramp Park. From the time they set that standard, Chairman Trauger won- dered if the City was getting the increased value they should from the appraisal of the land. Mr. Annunziato answered that the City does, and it benefits from inflation. The value of the land is based on the recent sale as being fair market value. If time has passed between when the last sale of the property occurred, the City requires that the applicant submit a property appraisal. Then the city trans- lates that into how much it costs per acre. Page 150-A Mr. Annunziato referred the Members to the amounts on this page. Mr. Frederick interjected that they were 1984 figures and confirmed Mr. Annunziato's estimate that the City is nearing the $900,000 estimate with interest. Some of the plans get approved for development like the corner of Woolbright Road and Congress Avenue. Chairman Trauger asked if the dedicated money the City extracts comes from the current time or the time when it was initially approved and platted. Mr. Annunziato answered that it comes from the time it was initially approved and platted. Chair- man Trauger remarked that was quite awhile ago. Mr. Annunziato responded that there are no more subdivision requirements which can be imposed on that property. Chair- man Trauger commented that the property has really gone up in value since the time it was originally platted. Mrs. Huckle pointed out that the City has received the interest on the money. There was more discussion. Chairman Trauger did not think it should have been iapproved unless they were going to develop it within the neXt two or three years. - 9 - MINUTES - WORKSHOP MEETING PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA MAY 22, 1986 As an example of the effect of inflation, Mr. Annunziato said from when the subdivision regulation was approved until today, the land on Congress Avenue is no longer sold by the acre but is sold by the unit. Instead of having an acre worth $50,000, you have the acre x the number of units, so now it is worth $10,000 a unit as opposed to $50,000 an acre. That is where the numbers get very substantial because when you take the total purchase price of the propertY and spread it across the acreage, the dollars per acre are very high. Now they are looking at numbers which are more than $100,000 an acre that translate back through the equation. The numbers are getting progressively higher per square foot. Page 151 Bikeways Mr. Cannon said this page gives figures as to how much of the bikeway system has been constructed, how much is under construction, and how much still remains to be constructed. Chairman Trauger asked if the City got any County money on this in the last year. Mr. Frederick answered, "No." Chair- man Trauger questioned whether the city applied for any. Mr. Frederick replied that they did not. Chairman Trauger asked if they were going to apply for money this year. Mr. Frederick was not sure. He exPlained that, as indicated on the page, a lot of sections are coming in as part of the development projects, which means the City does not have to pay anything, whiCh is better than paying 50%. Mangrove Area The bottom of page 151 discusses the status of this area. Mr. Cannon said it is anticipated that the City will eventually acquire that property. To a large extent, it will be preserved in its natural condition. Page 152 Fiscal Impact Mr. Cannon stated this is more or less a warning to the city that the city shOuld consider the ongoing costs involved in operating and maintaining city Parks and Recreation facili- ties. - 10 - MINUTES - WORKSHOP MEETING PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA MAY 22, 1986 Expand park and recreation facilities within Neighborhood Action Areas After explaning this section, Mr. Cannon thought the major addition on the northend of town will be North District Park, which was an acquisition of approximately 19 acres on North Seacrest, just north of the Boynton Canal. It is anticipated that will be the major recreation facility on the north end of the city. As part of the development of that park, the City hopes to construct a community center. QUESTIONS BY BOARD MEMBERS Out Parcel at Forest Park Mrs. Huckle noticed this in the Land Use Section and asked what it was specified for. Mr. Frederick recalled it was next to Forest Park School and asked if that was the piece that was zoned improperly. Mr. Annunziato answered affirmatively. Mrs. Huckle determined it was not actually an out parcel. Mr. Annunziato clarified that it was an out parcel of the school property, but houses are there on 3rd Street, just north of Woolbright Road, on the west side. Mrs. Huckle questioned whether that was part of Forest Park School's parcel. Mr. Annunziato replied that was the problem. It is not part of the Forest Park School's parcel. Two houses are there, which are surrounded on three sides by the Forest Park School parcel. In order for those houses to continue to exist and be able to be maintained, they have to be conforming uses. The recommendation is to put them back in a residential category equal to the use. Mrs. Huckle did not understand why it was called an out parcel. Mr. Annunziato explained it was only because the houses are surrounded on three sides by the school property. Personnel Mr. deLong asked Mr. Frederick if he addressed future staff- ing in his report. Mr. Frederick did not. Mr. deLong asked if Mr. Frederick knew what that figure might be. Mr. Frederick questioned whether Mr. deLong meant numbers of dollars for the year 2010. Mr. deLong replied, "How about numbers of bodies?" Mr. Frederick answered that they had not analyzed operations and maintenance costs as it related to this plan. The existing staff in Parks and Recreation - 11 - MINUTES - WORKSHOP MEETING PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA MAY 22, 1986 totals 103. Mr. Frederick added that is a combination of full-time, part-time, and seasonal. Golf Course Mrs. Huckle asked if there was a projected time for the expansion of the golf course. Mr. John Guidry, Assistant Utilities Director, informed the Members that the State imposed upon the City to investigate the ground water adjacent to that area, and they found some negative results. The City is now meeting with the Department of Environmental Regulations (DER) and going for a closure permit to coincide with the development of a dry golf course, if the city elects that type of approach, meaning with the liners that would have to be constructed on the land fill, the State would not feel comfortable with them putting lakes on the site. Mrs. Huckle asked if Mr. Guidry could give her an idea in years. If they had the closure plans in hand and the monies committed, Mr. Guidry said they would probably be looking at a two year civil works project to effect closure and design landfill. Perry Cessna, Director of Utilities, estimated that they were probably talking about four years before they would get through all of the red tape and bureaucracy and' another two years by the time they build it and get it into operation. Mr. Guidry's point was that the actual closure and the construction of the golf course should take place simultaneously because of the moving of the ground, etc. Mr. Cessna agreed and said if they do not, the city will be paying for moving the earth twice, and it will become very expensive. Mrs. Huckle questioned whether the City is at the point in the golf course where there would be that much use. Mr. Frederick responded that he is not in charge of the golf course but said the demand is great during the season. In the summertime, everybody is starving for golfers. SANITARY SEWER, SOLID WASTE, DRAINAGE, AND POTABLE WATER ELEMENT Page 18~ Goals and Objectives Mr. Cannon read the goals, which were restated under the "Objectives" with respect to the water and sewer systems. - 12- MINUTES - WORKSHOP MEETING PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA MAY 22, 1986 What they attempted to do was to relate the capacity of both the water and sewer system to the zoning that is in place in the city, County, the remainder of the City's service area, and also the potentials under the County's Land Use Plan. Mr. Cannon said that starts on page 190. Page 182 Storm Drainaqe Mr. Cannon said the city has all but discarded the concept of a backbone drainage system. There was a bond referendum in the '70s in which the voters turned down the construction of this system. Because of the prohibitive expense involved and the question of whether the DER would even permit a system like that, the City recommended that no longer be considered as a viable solution to whatever remaining drain- age problems are in the city. Page 186-A Swales Mr. Cannon said the second alternative was to construct swales in those areas of the city which have drainage problems. This page shows where swales have been installed. Chairman Trauger asked Tom Clark, city Engineer, if the city has had any trouble maintaining the initial swales which were put in along Seacrest and various other places. Mr. Clark answered, "Not as much as you would anticipate." At one time, Chairman Trauger recalled they planned that the swales would probably have to be rebuilt after a period of years. It has been eight or nine years now. Mr. Clark informed him that the swales are still functioning, although they do not work as well as they did. That program has been very successful. Yesterday (May 20, 1986), Mr. Cessna said they received a proposed change in regulations from DER that will make what is called the "backbone drainage" and where there are big retention areas very tough. The regulation means it will be considered a source of pollution if it is going into the ground water system. Any central drainage where large areas are going to affect it will come under very close scrutiny from the State and probably from the South Florida Water Management District (SFWMD). - 13- MINUTES - WORKSHOP MEETING PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA MAY 22, 1986 Chairman Trauger asked if the parking lot requirement figure, where they have to contain the first hour, would prove adequate. Mr. Cessna replied that they got the regula- tion yesterday afternoon and just skimmed through it, but it looks like it will point up towards more and more regulation of storm water as a source of possibly getting into the aquifer system when you collect it at one place. He said it will probably change over the time that they develop the rule and SFWMD comes into it. At the time they put the requirement on the containment of the runoff from the parking lot into that regulation, Chair- man Trauger could remember the arguments as to whether it was adequate. They went along with saying it was probably adequate at the time, but experience, as they developed, would tell them maybe it should be something different. That was why he was aking the question. Mr. Annunziato thought more emphasis would be placed on dry retention where the storm water runs over the side of the sodded or landscaped area before it goes into storage. In addition to the retention basins and swales, Mr. Ryder questioned whether the City has any significant extension or installation of storm water sewers. Mr. Annunziato replied that storm water sewers are not in vogue. He thought there would be outfalls, but they would have to be outfalling water that is fairly clean. Chairman Trauger referred to Congress Avenue and said when they six lane Boynton Beach Boulevard, they will have posi- tive drains. Mr. Annunziato responded that they drain to receiving bodies (wet retention areas) that outfall into canals. What might happen is there might be a requirement to run the storm water over grassed swales before it can reach a sewer which goes to a retaining body. Mr. Cessna explained that DER is shooting at protecting the aquifer, and they are going to enforce the regulations. They will be looking more at areas that already have them and see that they do not have a point source where they collect all of the pesticides, etc. into a retention area. If that is leaking into the aquifer, they will look very hard at it over the next few years. In the next few years, Mr. Annunziato thought the Board could anticipate amendments to both the subdivision and parking lot regulations. There will be more definitive treatment of runoff. - 14 - MINUTES - WORKSHOP MEETING PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA MAY 22, 1986 Mr. Ryder asked to what extent the city has outfalls to the canals. Mr. Annunziato replied that the City has outfalls to the canals but you only outfall beyond the control stage. In theory, storm water that is retained on site is to perco- late through to the ground water. Apparently, what has happened is the wet retention area, where all of the storm water is flushed, is going to be considered a point source of pollution, so Mr. Annunziato guessed DER was going to be regulating the quality of water going into that water body, which now outfalls into the public water body, which would be the canal. Mr. Clark wished to clarify Mr. Ryder's point and said the City does have outfalls that are grandfathered in, just like the Department of Transportation (DOT) has one on Boynton Beach Boulevard. Even when they have an outfall, with new construction, they have to prove that they contained "X" inches of water on site prior to any discharge. The outfall is really on the overflow and not a direct discharge. If you get enough rain, the system will fill up, and you will have an overflow. Mr. Clark informed the Members you do not have many of those because by the time you prove that you can contain the first hour of the three year storm on site, you do not need a pipe because pipes are designed for three year storms. If you can prove you do not need a pipe, why put it in? In some areas where the water table is high, Mr. Clark said you can get a general permit for small areas to overflow into the Intracoastal, not in a fresh water canal. Mr. deLong asked if Mr. Clark was implying that if a grand- fathered in situation is one where the city is getting serious contamination, they can do nothing about it. Mr. Clark was saying that even the regulatory agencies have not addressed that problem. There are old outfalls in the DOT, and some are up and down U. S. 1. They collect water within the rights-of-way and have easements that accommodate out- falls to the Intracoastal. Nobody is addressing that problem to the extent that it is a problem. Mr. Clark was not prepared to say how much of a problem it is. Mr. Guidry said the DER report ties it to ground water. If someone is polluting, it is an enforceable issue, and he thought they would take it to enforcement, based upon the rule as drafted. Where there is an expansion of the use, Mr. Annunziato said the parking lot regulations require conformance with the - 15- MINUTES - WORKSHOP MEETING PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA MAY 22, 1986 current standards. The City has been somewhat lenient on that because it generally means someone tearing up their entire parking lot. The City has benefited to the extent that where there is existing surface water run-off into the street, by the addition of landscaping, you get nutrients and uptake. Instead of granting variances for the drainage criteria, Mr. Annunziato said there would be sound basis not to grant them, based on pollution. Mr. Cessna thought they were saying the whole storm water problem in relation to the Comprehensive Plan will get more complicated and told the Board to expect the State and controlling bodies to get more involved and tell them what they can and cannot do. There was more discussion. Page 184 Mr. Cannon said they recommended that the City continue to spend more money at approximately $40,000 a year for swale construction until all of the remaining flooding problems east of 1-95 are taken care of. There are spots in the older part of the City that still have drainage problems. In areas that are already swaled and they have to take out a driveway, Mr. Wandelt has noticed they now make a straight driveway. He asked if that was to retain the water. Mr. Clark replied that configuration (a straight shot from the edge of the pavement to the sidewalk) evolved from an attempt to impound the water in front of the property and eliminate the water standing on the driveways. It worked very well, but a lot of contractors could not figure out how to put 1/Sth of a foot of grade in from the edge of the pavement. It was simplified so you now have a straight shot from the sidewalk. Under certain circumstances, Mr. Clark said you get a little more water in the traffic lanes. Generally speaking, there has been no significant problem. Mr. Annunziato commented that this was important where the city had flooding problems at the bottom of the hill. All of the water ran down to the low spot. By raising the drive- ways and putting in swales, the water is captured before it gets to the bottom of the hill. - 16 - MINUTES - WORKSHOP MEETING PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA MAY 22, 1986 SOLID WASTE Page 187 Mr. Cannon said the city no longer operates its own landfill but is using the Lantana Road Landfill, which is operated by Palm Beach County Solid Waste Authority. It is anticipated that the Lantana Road Landfill's capacity will be used up by 1987. After that time, solid waste will be trucked to the resource recovery plant and new landfill to the west of Riviera Beach. The City's garbage will first go to the trans- fer station at Lantana Road and 1-95. (Rick Walke had a memo which said that may not be so. It may have to go to Delray until the facility is built.) Palm Beach County Solid Waste Authority plans to build an incinerator and resource recovery plant located near the Florida Turnpike and Beeline Highway. All of the solid waste will go to that facility. Page 188 Mr. Cannon said the Regional Planning Council has the responsibility for planning facilities for storage and disposal of hazardous waste within the Treasure Coast region. QUESTIONS BY THE BOARD Sites Mr. Ryder commented that you hear a lot about the Solid Waste Authority having difficulty coming up with a site that does not meet with a lot of objections. He asked if they have an acceptable site. Richard S. Walke, Director of Public Works, has been on the Selection Committee for the last two years and said the 1-95 transfer station had been purchased. The engineering plans are in and they plan to break ground in three months. The main plant will be built off of 45th Street, near Beeline Highway. It is progressing nicely. They just finished public hearings and figure the Governor and his Cabinet will make a final decision by June 30th. The Solid Waste Authority felt the hearings went very favorably in their direction. If that is not a possibility, Mr. Walke stressed that the County would be in dire trouble. In September, 1980, Mr. Walke said the Solid Waste Authority was selecting a site. It is 1986, and they have not started construction yet. Chairman Trauger asked when they expect to have the plant. Mr. Walke replied that they were talking about a 2½ to 3 year construction period. Chairman Trauger remarked that it - 17 - MINUTES - WORKSHOP MEETING PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA MAY 22, 1986 would be close to the Dyer Boulevard fill. Mr. Walke informed him that they will continue to use Dyer Boulevard for left over residue, which fuels the main plant itself. Chairman Trauger asked what happens to the City's tree cuttings. Mr. Walke replied that will also go to the Lantana Landfill. They selected a site west of Boca Raton for a Type 3 landfill, which is building debris and that type "of stuff". Chances are they may have to change that site selection, but there is nowhere else. Mr. Walke handed the Members a newspaper which showed an artist's conception of the facade for the new plant. There was more discussion about who would be building the plant. Mrs. Huckle read from the middle of the page that the site selected by the Palm Beach County Waste Authority was near the West Palm Beach water catchment area and the Turnpike Aquifer and, as a consequence, may not be a desirable loca- tion from the standpoint of water quality. However, due to the lack of other suitable sites, they approved the site. Mr. Walke advised they would not find a spot anywhere with- out this same situation. There have been a number of public hearings, and all of the agencies had their say. Mr. Walke assured Mrs. Huckle this was a valid statement. In spite of it, Mrs. Huckle asked Mr. Walke what else they were going to do. Mr. Walke replied that the original site he liked best was objected to by Century Village, so the Solid Waste Authority went to this site. Mr. Walke went into more detail. Sludge Chairman Trauger commented that the sludge furnace at the South Central Wastewater Treatment Plant was not used because of the high cost of petroleum. With petroleum real low, he asked if the city generates enough sludge. Mr. Cessna replied that it was a 20 ton a day thing. For another ten years, they will probably not produce more than 12 to 13 tons of dry solid, so they would be running it at half speed or storing it. If they start storing it to wait until they get enough to run the furnace for seven days, Mr. Cessna commented that he will retire. If they wait until they get 20 tons, Chairman Trauger said it will be rusted down. Mr. Cessna did not want a 20 ton one but wanted two ten ton ones, but Delray Beach ran it. - 18 - MINUTES - WORKSHOP MEETING PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA MAY 22, 1986 Page 190. POTABLE WATER AND SANITARY SEWER Mr. Cannon said they were making projections of both water and sewer service areas. At the bottom of the page, they are making an estimate of approximately a 150,000 population for the water service area and estimate there will be a population of 156,000 at build-out. Both the water and sewer service areas correspond to the areas the Members could see on the maps. The population projections were considerably above the population projections for the city of Boynton Beach itself. Mr. Cannon agreed with Mr. Ryder that the figures included substantial County unincorporated areas as well. Ocean Ridge Mr. Ryder asked about Ocean Ridge. Mr. Cannon replied that Ocean Ridge is excluded from the estimate. Delray Beach Mr. Cessna informed Chairman Trauger that Delray comes up to the north end of Gulfstream. The city takes care of the County pocket between St. Andrews down to the north Gulf- stream city limits and has an interconnect between the two cities in case of an emergency. Population Projections Mr. Cannon wished to point out the basis for the population and dwelling unit projections. He took the existing number of dwelling units and service areas and added to that dwell- ing units for approved projects and the number of dwelling units that could be built in the City under the City's Comprehensive Plan. For those areas of the County that are still zoned Agricultural, he used the mid points of the den- sity range. Rather than specifying a particular density for a particular parcel, Palm Beach County's Land Use Plan has a density range which, in most of the city's service area, has a base of 3 units per acre. Providing developers meet the County's performance standards, they can have that density increased up to 8 units per acre. Mr. Cannon used a figure of 5.5 units per acre, which is the mid point of that range. In the higher density (a portion - 19- MINUTES - WORKSHOP MEETING PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA MAY 22, 1986 of the unincorporated area around Lawrence Road and on Boynton Beach Boulevard), he used 10 units per acre, since the County's density range is 8 to 12 units per acre. Mr. Cannon stressed that this was very important since they are making estimates based on those densities. It was suggested that later on, the City not approve water service agreements which would exceed those densities. Obviously, the cumula- tive effect of approving higher densities will be that they will exceed the system. Mr. deLong asked if that was what they anticipated when the Board was discussing the 109 acre piece. Mr. Annunziato said it was primarily traffic on Old Boynton Road. Mr. Ryder asked how they would effectively oppose increases in densities in the unincorporated areas. Mr. Annunziato replied that a document required for County zoning action is a verification of the availability of utilities. That means if somebody wants to go to the County to seek rezoning, they will have to go to the City and get an agreement to serve. If the City can certify that they can only serve five units an acre, then the County will not permit a request that exceeds that. The densities shown on the County plan are if and only if densities (if and only if there is adequate sewer and water, capacity to add adequate road capacity, etc.). If the City certifies five, Mr. Annunziato said that then becomes the upper cap. They were talking about a new overall Planning Council. Mr. Ryder asked if that would be the County's job. Mr. Annunziato did not think so. He thought the County would be primarily in the initial Comprehensive Planning business, taking Comprehensive Plans initially and then working out problems where there are inconsistencies. However, he thought they were going to be in the utility and road business to the extent that in order to get your plan certified, you will have to prove that there is capacity to serve. Chairman Ryder asked if the County would not also be involved as to what impact each municipality would have on the adjacent municipalities. Mr. Annunziato replied there was no question about that. As a part of the City's service area on sewer and water, suppose a developer made his reservation when he had his plans approved three or four years ago, has it developed, and other people come in and want that. Chairman Trauger - 20 - MINUTES - WORKSHOP MEETING PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA MAY 22, 1986 wondered how the City would block someone new from coming in because of the succeeding capacity for this. Mr. Annunziato answered that it is not much more than an accounting respons- ibility to determine where you are in capacity allocation. Then it is a policy decision to determine how to allocate the surplus. They can allocate it evenly throughout the remaining properties or allocate it in higher numbers in areas where there will be transportation routes. Maybe they will not want to build all of the utilities and say they will allocate less. If there is a desire to have more, someone else will have to build more. Mr. Annunziato continued that then you move from the aspect of accounting into policy, which is where the Board and Council must begin to make recommendations and decisions. Mr. deLong thought what Chairman Trauger was getting at was what happens to a reserve capacity that has not been used. Mr. Annunziato replied that the city does not reserve capacity; they just say they can serve "up to". Chairman Trauger thought when the City approved them coming in, the City set up an accounting basis saying, "he needs 'X' amount." Mr. Annunziato said there is no question that if the city says they will serve somebody five units per acre, it is not a license that they will get the five units. Mr. Cessna interjected that it goes into the accouting, but he asked the Members to recall that the City Council made a policy that they should take care of inside the City first. Chairman Trauger was talking about outside of the City. The only people Mr. Cessna said the City guarantees anything to are people who oversize a line and develop credits. Mr. Cessna gave the old golf course on the "S" curve of Old Boynton Road as an example. They put in an important loop. Mr. Cessna said Boynton Beach Boulevard had been sitting there for ten years on one 12 inch line. 4,000 homes were out there and if that broke, he would have 4,000 homes out of water with no way to feed it any place else. The important thing was they put up $400,000 to build that. Out of that they will get $250,000 or $300,000 in credits in water and sewer, which are kept separate. At their build-out, the City will have to give them enough until they use up the credits. Mr. Cessna said that was the only one they permitted outside of the city and the only one the City assured they would give utilities to. The rest are on a first comes first serve - 21- MINUTES - WORKSHOP MEETING PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA MAY 22, 1986 basis. If the City does not have it and they wait three years to build, "tough". Mr. Cessna asked the Members to recall the line coming down Congress Avenue. It was designed with the basis of the northwest area on an average of 5 units per acre. When Field & Riley came in for the piece along 22nd Avenue on the west side, there was a proviso that they would pay an extra sur- charge because they were over the 5 units per acre. If they keep giving people more than this, Mr. Cessna said the City would have to go back and either double draw the line or increase the head capacity of the pumping stations at a considerable expense to be able to transport the sewage on down. He stressed that the sewer was the most critical thing. Mr. deLong remarked that apparently, the City has the flexibility to accommodate in some instances, depending on what they get in return. Mr. Cessna emphasized that it is a limited thing, and you have to watch it very carefully. Mr. Annunziato thought the point Mr. Cessna raised moved to policy because the City is beginning to recognize some finite supplies in water, and the City knows it has a finite supply of sewer plants. The City continues to be involved in the creation of potable water, but it will be limited by the availability of raw water. Mr. Annunziato further explained to the Board and said there is a level they can go to. He thought the policy was how they split the surplus. 15 years ago Riteco owned property. Mrs. Huckle commented that they really could not reserve anything because they did not know what would be going there. When something really big comes in like Deutsch - Ireland, she wondered if it caused a great deal of realigning of their capacity projec- tions, etc. for a project that size. Mr. Annunziato replied that the projections are based on what they know today. He expounded and then said there is a surplus. The way the ability to serve is placed on the land primarily in the un- incorporated area becomes a matter of policy, and Mr. Annunziato asked, "How do you want to split that difference? Do you split it equally so that everybody gets 3 units an acre (which is probably the most equitable way), or do you compound it in an area and tell somebody else that in the future, the city will not have the capacity?" Mr. Annunziato thought that was the point Mr. Cannon was making about how to treat requests for utility services in the unincorporated areas. - 22- MINUTES - WORKSHOP MEETING PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA MAY 22, 1986 Getting back to sewage, Mr. deLongsaid, at build-out, the City apparently feels it will have adequate sewage capacity. He asked if they feel the same about the City water. Mr. Annunziato replied that the answer to his question was "Yes, but at what level?" For example, they know that 15,000,000 gallons of capacity at the sewer plant translates into so many units. (Units includes commecial and industrial too.) iThey know how many units they have now and what their com- mitment ~to serve is. The difference between what the City has and what the projection is tells the City how many more units it can serve. Mr. Ryder determined it would require further expansion of the sewer plant. Mr. Annunziato pointed out that there are limits to that too. Mr. Ryder called attention to the fact that the city is undergoing one now. Mr. Cessna explained that when he came back from the Phillipines, city Manager Cheney and he started projecting the City's growth and went to the Regional Board. Delray Beach thought they were crazy. If the City was not where it is right now, Mr. Cessna said they would probably be on a moratorium within twelve months on sewage, and Delray Beach would be too. The point was the City is now going for a full 24,000,000, which will take them up to about 95% at build-out for the existing plant. However, they have had a program of excellent inspections on their new lines, and the Council has allowed them to do replacements of old lines and certain equipment. From May 1, 1985 to April 30, 1986, Mr. Cessna pointed out that the average flow at the sewage plant was only 5.014 million gallons a day. When he came to the City eleven years ago, they had over 4,000,000 gallons a day coming in at the old sewage plant. Part of that was because what the City Council is doing to continue this program is bit by bit cutting down infiltration, which gives more capacity. If they keep the program up, Mr. Cessna believed the City's half of that 24,000,000 (12,000,000) would take them to build-out without adding anything. If it does not, the variation capacity is there for taking care of more. Mr. Cessna said they would not need more than 2,000,000 or 3,000,000 gallons, and one more clarifier alone would take care of it. That would be the critical thing. Mr. Cessna said the top critical thing was the fact that the line they are putting out to the ocean across the Intra- - 23- MINUTES - WORKSHOP MEETING PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA MAY 22, 1986 coastal, which was a bottleneck, will now be big enough that you can ultimately pump 30,000,000 gallons out there from the two cities. In his opinion, the City has taken care of the sewage situation for the long term with some minor adjustments ten or fifteen years down the road. Mrs. Huckle asked if Delray Beach is still borrowing some of the City's capacity. Mr. Cessna answered affirmatively but added that City Manager Cheney and he were discussing that. When the city opens up the second section of this, it will be very important that when they get to Delray Beach's half, that the City says, "No more. You do something else." Presently, Delray Beach is pumping about 1,500,000 gallons more per day than the City is with approximately the same population, which is a lot of money. Mr. Ryder asked if the City is sized, particularly along Congress Avenue, with the main collectors to take care of the western expansion in the future. Mr. Cessna replied that all of it is master sized, and all of the master pump stations, master force mains, and the master gravity collectors to those stations are in place. He agreed with Mr. Ryder that any extension is the developer's duty to connect with the City's existing line. Mr. Cessna told the Members John Guidry, Assistant Utilities Director, is very knowledgeable, and will take over completely about the 1st of February, 1987. city Manager Cheney added that Mr. Guidry used to work for the DER and worked with utility systems all over the world. Mrs. Huckle asked if most of the ground water that we get through rain and our yards goes into a system that the City utilizes. Mr. Cessna said that is why the City is tightening up all of the joints. Mr. Annunziato stated that there was no question that rain water recharges the aquifer indirectly. Rain water is needed to keep the level up. If 80 inches of rain water per atom*hit the earth's surface, Mr. Guidry said 40% of that would get into the aquifer system. The rest of it goes out through the plant uptake, etc. and comes back via rainfall. The last five years South Florida has had drier seasons. Mr. Cannon said the major point the Planning Department wanted to make was the connection between the sewage system capacity and the Land Use Plan. This was probably the major *annually(see minutes of June 10, 1986) - 24 - MINUTES - WORKSHOP MEETING PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA MAY 22, 1986 departure of the E & A report from the current Comprehensive Plan. At this time, Mr. Cannon said they were suggesting certain limits on densities on the remaining unzoned acres in the unincorporated area. They were also recommending that developers not be allowed to come in with revised master plans showing more dwelling units because the effect of increasing densities beyond those limits would cause the City to exceed the capacity of the sewer plant. Page 192 Demand for Treated Water Mr. Cessna informed Mr. Cannon that the City now has a well field capacity of 21,000,000 gallons a day. That is well water. The plant has a capacity for 16,000,000 gallons. Their withdrawal permit is for 10.25 per day average over the year. Mr. Cannon asked if that included the new well field site at the Boynton Commerce Center. Mr. Cessna answered, "Yes", and added that it was all of the wells around 1-95 and the water plant. Page 191 Mr. Cannon called attention to a handout the Members had with regard to the last sentence on this page. The Planning Department had a discussion with the Utility Director as to whether the figures they were representing in the E & A report were accurate. Mr. Cessna and Mr. Guidry indicated to the Planning Department that the capacity of the Hagen Ranch well field may not be what they originally anticipated it to be. Mr. Guidry said the Engineers categorically design well fields to optium capacity because that protects the client. The suppositions made in the studies were that they could develop given wells at a 1,000,000 capacity per day per Well. Then the assumption was that they could obviously go to 12,000,000 gallons. Mr. Guidry explained that 12 = 12,000,000 gallons. Mr. Guidry stated that they found themselves in that area going into a well field area that has a series of lakes. When they go in and mathematically calculate the impact of the City's wells at 1,000,000 gallons a day pumping rate x 12 over a quadrant, they get 17 feet of draw down in the bottom of those lakes, which "does not fly", so they have to - 25- MINUTES - WORKSHOP MEETING PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA MAY 22, 1986 back the numbers off. Based on that, they did not believe their numbers that well. Mr. Guidry and a friend in the ground water science business recalculated the figures, and they came up a foot apart, so he felt they were very close on it. Mr. Guidry said there are ways to overcome the issues. In the first 12 wells' increment, the City will probably have half the capacity they envisioned three years ago. Another way!to do it is probably to come east into the City area because of the chain of lakes, the system of recharge, etc. One of the more recent things they uncovered is that Lake Worth Drainage District is not able to recharge the aquifer system during the dry season because they do not have the pump capacity to do it. The city has some land in an area near the Boynton Canal that may ibe the City's salvation in the long run. Reverse Osmosis and Other Water Treatment In order to overcome the dry window they were alluding to, which is usually the 1st of the year until April and also impacts on the City because it is the "Snowbird season" as well, Mr. Guidry said the City is looking at a form of reverse osmosis. Reverse osmosis lends itself to looking at treating dirtier water. Their recommendation is that the City explore the feasibility of tying into the aquifer well to support that type of system, which would probably bring the City up to capacity. Other things the City can do would be treatment. They can go through a filter upgrading process on the existing lime softening plant that probably could give an additional 2,000 gallons a day of plant installed capacity, and they can also go into water to ground storage in the north region. Mr. Guidry said these things have to happen. They will not solve the problem but will get the city's head above water. Florida Aquifer Ail of north Florida enjoys the Florida aquifer where they can stick a pipe in the ground, and it comes up fresh. Here, the water is brackish. It is found at about 800 and 900 feet in depth, flows artesian, and the problems the city has with it is that all of the exploration on it on the Florida East Coast has been in the deep injection well projects where you had to go in with a Florida aquifer moni- - 26- MINUTES - WORKSHOP MEETING PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA MAY 22, 1986 tor well in order to make sure you were protecting the Florida aquifer. The methodology for constructing those wells to hold down that pressure head of artesian water coming up is by loading it up with salt. The net result is if you were not worried about collecting the data if you were not going to use it for drinking water, you would not worry about how much salt you put into it. From the data they have, Mr. Guidry said nobody really looked at the salt issue that much, so there are some very high numbers. The regulatory agencies are going to force the City to go in with an exploratory hole and absolutely confirm that it is treatable water. Mr. Guidry advised that it is an abundant supply and is not a new technology. The technology has been with Engineers for 25 years and has worked out very well on the west coast of Florida. Mr. Guidry told about the west coast. Initially, Mr. Guidry said the South Florida Water Management District's role was flood control. As population increases hit the Florida East Coast, they have to look at more than flood control. They look at surface water, ground water quality, etc. Mr. Guidry said they have found a lot of institutions are like the City and they say, "Here's the population hitting us, and we are running out of water." Another thing Mr. Guidry mentioned was on site retention of the first "X" number of inches of the rainfall and said it does generate a point source of pollution potential for the aquifer system. It literally bleeds right in. They will be showing staff a slide show tomorrow that explains all of this. There was discussion about the utilities in Dade County being forced to buy their water from Miami - Dade. Mr. deLong had .posed the question. Mr. Guidry said it was caused by population, inadequate protection of their well fields on the parts of the utilities of the cities, and excess pumpages. Mr. deLong questioned whether it would be a very expensive proposition if the City would have to go to another area. Mr. Guidry replied that it is a very expensive issue. If you are into a massive, hazardous waste fill where your well field is going.to pot, Mr. Guidry warned that people will die if they drink this stuff. Boynton Beach is not in that situation. North Miami Beach and Hialeah had to make - 27- MINUTES - WORKSHOP MEETING PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA MAY 22, 1986 those decisions, or they would have tremendous death liability, potential cancer, or whatever. There was more discussion. .Ground Storage On Miner Road extended, on the Melear property, Mr. Cessna said they were talking about 2,000,000 gallons of storage. As economies increase, you increase size when you go to ground storage for the reason that you are always going to need it, but during the interim period you get more plant capacity. One problem you have is the high peak during the dry season. Because of the limited storage the City has now, the City is producing 700,000 gallons an hour or 16,000,000 gallons a day and gets everything full; the plant has to shut down for three or four hours until people start drawing the water down and the city starts losing it. If you have more storage, you can keep going 24 hours a day, and then you cut out the peak demand where you lose water out of your ground storage or elevated tanks. That is why Mr. Cessna said part of it should go for 5,000,000 gallons on Miner Road. Page 235 Mr. Annunziato said reference to the ground storage tank was on this page. The recommendation was that the ground storage tank at Miner Road be increased to 5,000,000. City Manager Cheney commented that Boynton Beach is on the edge of doing things in water supply that no one else is doing, including the County. No one else is doing the whole operation of reverse osmosis started by Mr. Cessna, which Mr. Guidry is now doing. The city got a grant from SFWMD, out of which it bought computer hardware, which it will use. Florida Atlantic's Engineering Department and SFWMD will work with us. That will be the first for a lot of water suppliers, including the County, to look at. The city is also getting into the Florida aquifer. No one else is doing that. The city has applied to SFWMD for a grant to help us do that kind of an analysis of the aquifer, where there is plenty of water if it can be treated for drinking purposes. One reason the City has held back growth is because of the water. This is the only City that has some staff and people involved with people at SFWMD, who are willing to give the city grants to do this. - 28 - MINUTES - WORKSHOP MEETING PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA MAY 22, 1986 Mrs. Huckle asked how they knew what was down there. City Manager Cheney replied that the City knows because there have been a lot of drawings over the past. Mr. Guidry has an intimate knowledge of the Florida aquifer and the various Biscayne aquifer systems. He advised that the only problems are (1) utilities have a tendency not to look forward to this type of technology because human resources are not staffed. (2) The engineering group in the community has not done it. There are only three or four engineering firms in the country Mr. Cessna and Mr. Guidry feel comfortable with. It is not that it is a new technology. It is that it has not been vogue to look at those issues here. Mr. Guidry said it is a science that can get off the ground and run. It is also economically feasible. If they have to go to the Florida aquifer, Mr. Cessna thought they should know conventional lime coagulation will not take the solid out, and they still will not have a drinking water. That is why reverse osmosis is the feasible thing if they go down to that point. As a past permitting regulator, Mr. Guidry emphasized that lime softening in public drinking water is not permittable as treatment. It is not treatment. Very few Utility Directors in this region realize that. From an engineering concept, it is not acceptable. Mr. Wandelt asked if the water in the Florida aquifer is sulphur type. Mr. Guidry answered, "No." Mr. deLong asked if it was saline. Mr. Guidry replied it is somewhat saline, but the problem is total dissolved solids. It has been lay- ing down there awhile sucking up all the materials from the rocks, which is really what it is. ADJOURNMENT The meeting properly adjourned at 6:10 P. M. Patricia Ramseyer Recording Secretary (Three Tapes) - 29-