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Minutes 07-09-85MINUTES OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEETING HELD IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS, CITY HALL, BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA, ON TUESDAY, JULY 9, 1985 AT 7:30 P. M. PRESENT Simon Ryder, Chairman Walter "Marty" Trauger, Vice Chairman George deLong Marilyn G. Huckle John Pagliarulo Garry Winter William Schultz, Alternate Norman Gregory, Alternate ABSENT Robert Wandelt (Excused) Carmen S. Annunziato, Director of Planning Tim Cannon, Senior City Planner Jim Golden Assistant City Planner Chairman Ryder called the meeting to order at 7:30 P. M., introduced the Members of the Board, Mr. Annunziato, Mr. Cannon, Mr. Golden, and the Recording Secretary. He requested that Mr. Schultz take Mr. Wandelt's place on the Board. Chairman Ryder acknowledged the presence in the audience of Councilman Ezell Hester; Councilman Carl Zimmerman; Councilman James R. Warnke; Peter L. Cheney, City Manager; Owen A. Anderson, Executive Vice President, Greater Boynton Beach Chamber of Commerce; Kipp Friedman, Boynton Beach News Journal; and Rebecca Theim, Sun Sentinel. MINUTES OF JUNE 11, 1985 Mr. deLong called attention to the 3rd paragraph of page 23, which referred to "Plat closure" and said the last sentence should be changed to read: "The point from where you start and your bearings and dimensions as you go around is supposed to get back within 1/100th of a foot closure from the point of beginning." Vice Chairman Trauger moved to accept the minutes as corrected, seconded by Mr. deLong. Motion carried 7-0. ANNOUNCEMENTS Mr. Annunziato announced that last week the case of JCF vs. the City of Boynton Beach was finally litigated. This was a zoning lawsuit which evolved at the time of the adoption of the zoning map, following the implementation of the Comprehensive Plan. Mr. Annunziato added that it involved Parcel D in the 10th Section of Leisureville (Southwest corner of Woolbright Road and the E-4 Canal). After five years, it is finally in litigation. MINUTES - PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA JULY 9, 1985 CO~iMUNICATIONS None. OLD BUSINESS None. NEW BUSINESS PUBLIC HEARINGS LAND USE ELEMENT AND REZONING Project Name: Spada Concrete Specialists, Inc. Agent: Frank Spada Owner: Spada Land Company Location: 3466 Old Dixie Highway Description: Request for an amendment to the Future Land Use Element of the Comprehensive Plan from Local Retail Conm~ercial to Industrial and rezoning from C-3 Community Commercial to M-1 Light Industrial for the purpose of establishing a sales office and storage yard for a concrete contractor Mr. Cannon indicated the location of the property on the over- lay and commented that the City limits are rather irregular in the vicinity. He referred the Members to the memorandum from Carmen S. Annunziato, Planning Director, dated June 5, 1985, and said the Planning Department's finding was that the existing land use is predominantly heavy commercial along Old Dixie Highway and predominantly retail and office along U. S. 1. The parcel is presently being used for a concrete contractor. Two buildings are on the site, and the applicant intends to convert the parcel to an office and storage, using the vacant area for storage of his concrete mixing truck's. In the Planning Department's analysis of the rezoning, they brought up the possibility that the existing C-3 zoning on Old Dixie Highway is not the correct zoning, as it does not conform with the intent of a C-3 zoning district. In their eyes, the issue that remains is to determine what the correct zoning on Old Dixie Highway is. The two zoning districts which are allowed for more intensive use are C-4 and M-l, as explained in Mr. Annunziato's memo. Mr. Cannon looked at both the C-4 and M-1 districts. Presently in the City's C-4 zoning district, which mainly includes North U. S. 1 north of the CBD district and also along N. E. 3rd Street, it is hard to tell the difference between the zoning districts because there are so many grand- fathered uses in the C-4 zoning district, which include many - 2 - MINUTES - PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA JULY 9, 1985 contractors. If you go out in the field and look at typical wholeSale operations and compare them to typical contractors~' storage yards or a typical manufacturer which has storage, the distinction between a C-4 and M-1 zoning district becomes more clear. It was the opinion of the Planning Department that C-4 zoning would be justified at this location. However, because o~ the problems with outdoor storage, odor, and such, it would not he a good location for M-1 zoning primarily because it would conflict with the surrounding land uses. It was the Planning Department's finding that M-1 zoning would have a negative impact on the surrounding land uses. Therefore, C-4 is the appropriate zoning for this location. Mr. Pagliarulo noticed in Mr. Annunziato's memo that there are about 260 acres of vacant M-1 zoned property in the City. He asked if the Planning Department came up with any figures on how much C-4 is vacant and available at the moment, since the recommendation was for this to go to C-4. Chairman Ryder did not think the Board was going to do that, and he advised that the question was whether they should go from C-3 to M-1. Mr. Cannon knew there were very little C-4 properties and imagined there were not more than three or four acres of C-4 zoned property in the City l~imits. Mr. deLong added that they are extremely scarce. Mr. Frank Spada, 123 S. W. 13th Avenue, Boynton Beach, said they were located in Boynton Beach for 2-1/2 years on a parcel of property that was zoned C-3. They looked for another location because they had outgrown their location. Since they were in .C-3 zoning for 2,1/2 years, Mr. Spada said they bought this property and had it rezoned to C-3 because they had been parking their trucks where they had been. Mr. Spada told the Members they went in for a permit for fencing and found out they did not'belong there. At that time, they were told they could try to upgrade it to an M-1. Mr. Spada stated that they were told M-1 was the zoning they needed to park their trucks. Chairman Ryder asked what Mr. Spada's operations consist of. Mr. Spada answered that it is a concrete company and they do decorative concrete work, cobble stones, etc. They also do a lot of Department of Transportation work. Mr. Spada informed Chairman Ryder that they have pickup trucks and flat-beds. Their equipment is there too. - 3 - MINUTES - PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA JULY 9, 1985 Mr. Spada informed Chairman Ryder that they do not batch any concrete whatsoever. The only thing they use their yard for is to park trucks at night. They pick up their materials at other concrete plants. Their trucks supply the materials for their jobs, but Mr. Spada said they pick the materials up at plants like Rinker and deliver it to them. Chairman Ryder asked, "You don't stock any sand, stone, or cement?" Mr. Spada replied that they do not stock any material on the property whatsoever. Mr. Spada stated that they want the City to allow them to put a nice concrete lot in there. They submitted some plans, and the City approved the office area. Mr. Spada said they were before a Board a couple of weeks ago, and the plan was okayed for them to pave the front. They have to locate some trees. Some property in the rear is theirs. Chairman Ryder questioned whether Mr. Spada was talking about picking up raw materials or concrete. Mr. Spada answered that he was talking about the mixed concrete. All trucks are out of the yard every morning by 7:00 A. M. Between 4:30 and 5:00 P. M. every evening, the trucks come back and are parked for the night. There is no truck traffic and no going in and out of the place during the day. Mr. Spada meets his brothers there every morning about 6:00 A. M.; they get everybody out, and Mr. Spada locks the gates. ~r. Spada goes back about 4:30 P.. M. or 5:00 P. M. That is what they did at the other location for 2-1/2 years. Mr. Spada told Mr. Pagliarulo they have four concrete mixers, and the rest of the trucks are pickup trucks and flat-beds. Mr. Pagliarulo asked if the trucks are serviced, washed, and polished. Mr. Spada replied that nothing is done in the yard. Mr. Spada informed Chairman Ryder that they have four transit mix trucks, but they are just housed on the property. He confirmed Chairman Ryder's statement that they go to the yards, get the materials, and use their mixing trucks. About five years ago, Mr. Spada said the suppliers could not give them the supplies when they needed them. They met with the suppliers and were told if they would buy their own concrete trucks and take them to the yards of the suppliers, the suppliers would load the trucks. That way they have concrete on their jobs on time. Chairman Ryder asked if Mr. Spada understood mixing concrete in the City limits is not permitted. Mr. Spada understood that and emphasized that they are not asking to mix concrete or to make any dust. Mr. Spada stated that they finally got their plan approved so they can put decorative concrete in front of their place, - 4 - MINUTES - PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA JULY 9, 1985 pave it out, keep it nice and clean, and plant trees or what- ever the City wants them to do. Reference was made by Chairman Ryder and Vice Chairman Trauger~to Rinker, who had been in the City and had to go because of 1-95. Mr. deLong did not see anything on the application where Mr. Spada would be mixing concrete. The application said Mr. Spada would have his business office and store his concrete trucks and equipment. Mr. deLong asked Mr. Spada how long he has been in this location. Mr. Spada answered, "Three months." Mr. Spada explained that they moved out of Boynton Beach to Lake Ida Road. The City of Delray Beach rezoned where they were to reSidential, and they were in a commercial zone, so they had to leave. Mr. Spada told Mr. deLong they have owned this property for more than a year and moved in three months ago. Mr. deLong asked if they found out they did not have the proper zoning when they went to get a permit to construct a fence. Mr. Spada replied that they had a permit to remodel the building that is on the property to an office, which they are doing. He stressed that they have the property and just want to park their trucks. Mr. Spada goes up and down through the City and has four~ ~cks par~on side streets. Chairman Ryder pointed out that the Board had to consider whether M-1 was proper in this instance. It was not only confined to what Mr. Spada's enterprise means and what it does. If this would go to M-1 and Mr. Spada decided to go somewhere else, Chairman Ryder called attention to the fact someone else could come in. This is a permissive use in M-l, and Chairman Ryder said they were talking about introducing an M-1 into an area which is now Commercial and Residential for one particular owner. Mr. Annunziato advised that this was an annexation that occurred about 2-1/2 years ago when the applicant was Mrs. Grummons. The area remains as one of the greater problem areas which will be in the City. The City has pushed strongly for retail commercial land uses on U. S. 1. In fact, they have gone so far as to refuse service to mini- warehouses, who then went to the County and sought relief in the form of a variance to the Health Codes and were denied the opportunity to construct a well and septic tank system. The County and the City recognize that this area has problems, as does the City of Delray Beach. They have had several meetings to discuss this. It is their intention that along U. S. t, the useage should be C-3. Mr. Annunziato said this has been the City's position, and it has been reflected in the land uses that have been constructed and in the water and utility agreements which have been signed. - 5 - MINUTES - PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA JULY 9, 1985 Mr. Annunziato continued that the question then is, "How do you treat the Dixie Highway frontage?" They did some preliminary analyses. It appears that C-3 is not the proper zoning, but it is not the kind of thing that should be done piecemeal. As part of the update of the City's Comprehensive Plan, Mr. Annunziato said they agreed to do a more definitive land use analysis and offer recommendations for future land use of this area in the City's plan. The County recognized this is more of a local issue and not a County issue. Mr. Annunziato suspected that the land use would end up being General Commercial because some of the uses there are General Commercial. The zoning would likely be C-4 to accommodate some of those uses. With M-l, Mr. Annunziato said there would be severe current and future land use problems. The current problems would be they interface with the residential properties to the west, and future problems would be they interface with the community commercial, which would be zoned along U. S. 1. In that light, there was no question that M-1 zoning was improper in this location. When Mrs. Grummons annexed the property, Mr. Annunziato said she was told very specifically that a contractor's yard would not be a permitted use. He recalled that he was the person that told Mrs. Grummons it could not be used as a contractor's yard because he did not foresee any M-1 zoning in the future. Mr. deLong brought out that there is a bag company right next door to this and asked what they are doing manufacturing bags there. Mr. Annunziato replied that they are legal and non-conforming. Mr. deLong questioned whether Mr. Spada had any other recourse. Mr. Annunziato answered, "None that I know of. This process of the rezoning and land use element is the recourse the applicant has." He continued that the Board will make a recommendation to Council, and %he Council will make a decision. If Mr. Spada is unhappy with the Council's decision, he always has the recourse of the Courts. Chairman Ryder commented that no doubt the Board will be considering annexation for the area to the east along Federal Highway. To make any change of this kind now did not seem to make sense because it would impair what use the City would want to put to the annexed area in the future. He thought the Board should be careful in view of the fact something will happen there on a larger scale. Mr. Spada has taken rides through what they said were C-3 districts in this City. Now they were saying a concrete or building contractor could not be in C-3, but all kinds of - 6 - MINUTES - PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA JULY 9, 1985 contractors are in these areas with all kinds of trailers on their property. Mr. Spada felt that he was not asking for anything ridiculous, especially in the area where the property is. He said ~angs~on Bag isf next t~'~him', ah~-the~ is another contractor on the other side of Langston. Mr. Winter advised that the swimming pool contractor is not in the City limits. Chairman Ryder said the Board would not want to do anything that would aggravate the situation. It was apparent to Mr. deLong that the City was going to take the initiative to clear up the problem there. Mr. Annunziato felt certain the City would take the initiative to do some- thing when they are in the planning process. Mr. deLong thought spot zoning, which was what they were being requested to do tonight, would be opposed to clearing up the problem in the future. Mr. Pagliarulo asked if it was because Mr. Spada would have trucks parked there because it was apparent to him that there was no manufacturing process. Mr. Annunziato answered that contractors' yards are a permitted use in M-l, but they are not permitted uses in C-3. C-3 is retail commercial. Mr. Annunziato confirmed Mr. deLong's statement that there are no parking classifications in C-3 except in conjunction with an operation. He was not saying there are no contractors' yards in C-3 but was saying if they are there, they are probably grandfathered in. Chairman Ryder asked if anyone else wished to ~peak in favor or in opposition to the application. There was no response. THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS CLOSED. If they go ahead with this, Chairman Ryder said they would be permitting an M-1 adjacent to a County pocket area. He did not think it would be in the City's interest to move in this direction when it affects just one piece of property adjacent to a lot of other areas that possibly will have to be reconsidered. Mr. delong received applause from the audience when he said the area looked like an aborted attempt at something, and he felt it was unfortunate that there was not a conditional use available to Mr. Spada in a C-3 or C-4 because he thought what Mr. Spada had was more desirable than some of the things that are there now. If they consider spot zoning like this, Mr. deLong asked what they could do in the future. He did not think it was conducive to going entirely to M-1 in the area. Mr. deLong thought the Board had to take a stand somewhere to clean up what you see there on the way into Delray Beach every day and felt something had to be done to start it. - 7 - MINUTES - PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA JULY 9, 1985 Mr. deLong stated that he would have to vote against Mr. Spada, and he regretted that there was not some way they could let Mr. Spada park his trucks there on a conditional use basis because apparently, all it will be is an outdoor garage and Mr. Spada's office, which he did not find that offensive. Unfortunately, Chairman Ryder said this particular owner has contributed to the shabby appearance the area has because he did not make any attempt to pave the area. Vice Chairman Trauger said Mr. Spada could not pave it if he was denied the use. Mr. Spada referred to Chairman Ryder's statement about what the property lOoks like and told the Members the applicant had to wait for the Planning Board to approve their plans. They are going to put decorative concrete in front, trees, a three foot hedge around the fence, lighting, and everything else. They are painting the exterior of the building and cleaning up the whole place. Chairman Ryder asked what it was used for previously. Mr. Spada answered that it was two residential houses, which were not even fit to live in. It took about 16 to 18 hours for a bulldozer to get all of the debris off of the property. Junk cars and trucks and also tires were on the property. Mr. Spada commented about the paint distributor, boxing company, and a car repair down the street in C-3 with trucks parked out front which they repair. He felt all of their trucks are good looking trucks and said they are all kept clean. Once they put in the decorative concrete etc., Mr. Spada thought it would be pleasant to the eye when people drive by. He thought the building would be pleasant to the eye because of the way they will decorate it. Vice Chairman Trauger moved to accept the recommendation of the City Planner and to deny the request, seconded by Mrs. Huckle. Motion carried 7-0, and the request was DENIED. PARKING LOT VARIANCE Project Name: Agent: Owner: Location: Description: Shell Oil Charles W. DeSanti Shell Oil Company Northwest corner of Boynton Beach Boulevard and Congress Avenue Request for relief from Section 5-141(e) and Section 5-141 (g) (3) of Parking Lot Regulations Mr. Annunziato said the applicant anticipates that at some time in the near future, they would like to add a car wash. - 8 - MINUTES - PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA JULY 9, 1985 Mr. Annunziato read his memorandum dated July 2, 1985, and Mr. Cannon pointed out the driveways on the overlay. Mr. Annunziato said the site is served by four driveways (two on Congress Avenue and two on Boynton Beach Boulevard). Vice Chairman Trauger asked how long the driveway is from where the pump is to the end of the curb cut coming down from Congress Avenue. Mr. Cannon replied that it was almost the entire length, and you could pull in there almost any- where. Vice Chairman Trauger looked at it today and it looked like there was a "big long curb cut and a little short one" on Congress Avenue. Mr. Annunziato presented a copy of the survey for the Members to study, Chairman Ryder noted the two curb cuts on Congress Avenue were close together. Mr. Annunziato read from page 2 of his memo that "the TRB recommended that a 45 foot wide driveway be allowed to continue at each extremity of the property, but not closer than 25 feet to the adjacent properties." He said this means that the applicant should be permitted to have a drive- way on Congress Avenue and a driveway on Boynton Beach Boule- vard. A driveway will be located 25 feet south of the north property line on Congress Avenue and 25 feet east of the west property line on Boynton Beach Boulevard. The driveways would extend 45 feet south on Congress Avenue and east on Boynton Beach Boulevard. Mr. deLong asked how far that would place them from the inter- section. Mr. Annunziato replied, "About 140 feet on Boynton Beach Boulevard and about 120 feet on Congress, more or less. That would be the minimum that the Code would allow." Mr. Charles W. De Santi, Agent, P. O. Box 024451, West Palm Beach, Florida 33402, presented Mr. W. J. "Bill" Irwin, Shell Oil Company, 100 South Pine Island Road, suite 130, Plantation, Florida 33324, and informed Vice Chairman Trauger that he does not operate the station but represents Mr. Irwin, who is the responsible party for Shell Oil Company in this area. Mr. De Santi showed the Members a plan and said the hatched area would be landscaped by Shell Oil Company. They will upgrade the property when it is important to do so. With regard to the drainage, Mr. De Santi said the applicant agrees to develop the calculations necessary to support the fact that they can meet containing one inch of rainfall on site, and they will landscape appropriately. He said they would agree with the denial of that particular variance. With regard to the turnout variances as requested, Mr. De Santi said there are two turnouts on each main artery, and - 9 - MINUTES - PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA JULY 9, 1985 the applicant has taken off the closer turnout to the inter- section on Congress Avenue which creates a very disastrous stacking situation as you pull out. The applicant agreed that was extremely hazardous. With due respect to everyone in the room, Mr. De Santi said with the exit from the property going west along Boynton Beach Boulevard, all traffic feeding out from that turnout would be routed to the west. It would help in the flow of the automobiles from the facility. Mr. De Santi understood that ultimately they would be dealing with a fair amount of right-of-way and laneage. He thought they were in the situation where the owner has the desire and is absolutely serious about beautifying the facility as it should be because it is the entrance to the City. Mr. De Santi requested that the turnout located closest to the intersection along Boynton Beach Boulevard be included in the variance for the reasons regarding th~ free flow of automobiles exiting the facility. He took his car there 1-1/2 hours ago (about 6:30 P. M.) and as he attempted to make the moves going from the gas pumps west inside the property to the westerlymost turnout and come out, he found it will be an impacting situation. Chairman Ryder asked if Mr. De Santi meant traffic eastbound, as they come out, if the curb cut closest to the intersection is closed and they come out the one to the west. Mr. De Santi said that was right and showed how traffic would have to move. Chairman Ryder asked what was wrong with that. Mr. De Santi called attention to the parking requirements and said they have located parking stalls which are acceptable to everyone. His point was this is a small parcel of land that has been used for well over 20 years, and he wanted to discuss the expansion of Boynton Beach Boulevard, which he thought was important to this proceeding. If this is done in the next 12 to 18 months, Mr. De Santi felt his client would take a hard look at keeping that particular turnout open. However, if the facility is scheduled for gradual improvements along the Boulevard and they hit the intersection in five to eight years, then he would have to search hard to suggest to his client that his client close the turnout. Chairman Ryder informed him that predictions are that this will be the busiest intersection in the City in years to come. He said Mr. De Santi was wanting someone to come out there, when the traffic light changes and traffic proceeds west, in the face of traffic. The Mobil station was treated the same way for the same reason. Their curb cuts were also too close to the inter- section. Mr. De Santi agreed with Chairman Ryder that it was a vital consideration. - 10 - MINUTES - PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA JULY 9, 1985 Vice Chairman Trau~er pointed out that it will be six lanes within the next 1-1/2 years. Chairman Ryder informed Mr. De Santi that Vice Chairman Trauger is part of a Task Force that has been working on the widening of the Boulevard from Congress Avenue to Military Trail, so i% is in the works. He emphasized that the Board has to be very careful. Mr. De Santi wanted a moment to discuss with his client the opportunity for closing that turnout in conjunction with the widening of Boynton Beach Boulevard. Mr. deLong understood Mr~ De Santi to indicate in his opening remarks that the hatched area on his (Mr. De Santi's) plan would be landscaped and wondered what kind of foliage would be in there and what the height would be. Mr. De Santi replied that the hatched area represented the on site retention area and will coincide with the landscaping area. Today, those areas are grassed. The Landscope Code requires hedging and tree spacing. Mr. De Santi concluded by saying his client will certainly meet the Landscape Code to the letter. Mr. deLon~ was concerned about the height of any trees that would be put there. Mr. De Santi assured him they would meet a clear trunk of five feet with, he believe~ a mimimum crown of 15 feet. Mr. Annunziato said it would be whatever the Landscope Code requires. Mr. De Santi said a car will be able to see under the canopy of the tree itself. Mrs. Huckle asked Mr. De Santi what his thought was as to the eastward movement of traffic as it comes out of the station. Mr. De Santi explained that the reason for closing it was because it created a very dangerous turning situation coming out onto Congress Avenue. They pulled the turnout along Congress Avenue as far back as they could to the property line so that they could make the turn to get into the turn lane on Congress Avenue to come back east. Mr. De Santi agreed with Mrs. Huckle's statement that it was the main area waiting for .eastern traffic. Mrs. Huckle could not recall where the median is opposite the most westerly exit. Mr. Annunziato advised that the property is not served by a median cut on Boynton Beach Boulevard. Some of the Members mentioned that there is a cut. Mrs. Huckle recalled that it is "quite a deal back." Vice Chairman Trauger was concerned about someone coming back east. Mrs. Huckle was worried about someone trying to swing all the way across. Mr. De Santi commented that it could not happen. Mrs. Huckle determined that it would leave the one northerly Congress Avenue exit as the only opportunity for easterly movement. Mr. De Santi confirmed this and guessed that had been the case for some time in that location. Mrs. Huckle remarked that the mall is not open yet. - 11 - MINUTES - PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA JULY 9, 1985 Mr. Annunziato said they are now working on the plans for the building of the intersection at Congress Avenue and Boynton Beach Boulevard. It will not be six lanes but nine lanes with two right turn lanes, three through lanes on each side, and double left lanes on all approaches. As to the movement mentioned to go east out of the gas station and make the turn, Mr. Annunziato said one would have to traverse a turn lane and three through lanes to get to the westernmost turn lane, and that becomes part of the problem that the City has with these close in driveways. It becomes tempting. Mr. Annunziato advised that they were speaking specifically about 70,000 trips a day. Vice Chairman Trauger asked where all the debris and water would go from the car wash. When the car wash facility is developed, Mr. De Santi said %here will be an appropriate on site drainage program developed pursuant to the City's Codes. Mr. Annunziato added that many car washes are self contained, but a car wash was not a part of this presentation. They would have to come back with a site plan. They cannot build a car wash without first overcoming the variance procedures. Chairman Ryder advised that the car wash would go to Council, but this variance will not go to the Council. Chairman Ryder asked if anyone else wished to speak in support of the application. There was no response. Chairman Ryder asked if anyone wished to speak in opposition to the application. There was no response. THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS CLOSED. Chairman Ryder informed the Members that they had two conclu- sions from the Technical Review Board~. One was that the curb cuts on both Congress Avenue and Boynton Beach Boule- vard immediately adjacent to the corner be eliminated and that-the remaining single curb cuts on each Avenue be moved close to the extreme end of the property.. Secondly, with regard to 5-141(e), the TRB recommended that the applicant retain a certain amount of water on the property. (See memo of July 2, 1985 from Carmen S. Annunziato, Planning Director, which is attached to the original copy of these minutes.) Mr. deLong moved to go along with the recommendations contained in the memorandum of the City Planner, dated July 2, 1985, and that the two curb cuts be closed, the curb cuts existing will be at the extremities of the property, and that the recommendation with regard to drain- age be approved. Mr. Pagliarulo seconded the motion, and the motion carried 7-0. - 12 - MINUTES - PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA JULY 9, 1985 SUBDIVISIONS PRELIMINARY PLATS Project Name: Agent: Owner: Location: Description: Mariner's Way Ivan K. Olsak, P. E. C. Wendall Collins N. E. 12th Avenue, east of U. S. Request for approval of construction plans and preliminary plat which provides for the construction of infrastructure improve- ments to serve a 32 unit townhouse development Mr. Annunziato informed the Members that this is located north of Lake worth Mariner Village. Staff recommended that the plat be approved subject to the staff comments from the Planning, Utilities, and Engineering Departments, which Mr. Annunziato read. Mr. Annunziato did not believe comment ~3 in the City Engineer's memo of June 5, 1985 was necessary because there is a current contract for the purchase of the property. No one was present to represent the applicant. Chairman Ryder said if the Board fel~ the staff comments ~e~e necessary, they w0~Id be included in the motion. Mr. Annunziato said the applicant provided the land value, so he did not foresee any difficulties with the staff comments. Mrs. Huckle asked if the private street had to conform to the City's standards as to width. Mr. Annunziato replied that the City would require that it be paved but would not necessarily require right-of-way width. It seemed narrow to Mrs. Huckle. Mr. Schultz informed Mr. Annunziato that Lake Worth Mariner Village was built six years ago. Mr. Annunziato advised Mrs. Huckle that the width of the road serving this project is 22 feet of pavement. Mrs. Huckle thought it was "a long shot without any other way of getting out of there." Mr. Schultz lives in a private home that almost adjoins the property. He referred to the cul-de-sac and said when the project is built, as cars swing around the cul-de-sac they will be shining lights into a $220,000 home and other homes there. Mr. Schultz was "dead set against the cul-de- sac," but he felt the only way they could do it would be to tear down the mangroves and fill it. Mr. Annunziato advised that the cul-de-sac is where it has to be, and it does not go all the way to where the houses front on the Intracoastal. Mr. Schultz was not talking about on the Intracoastal. - 13- MINUTES - PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA JULY 9, 1985 ~ere the cul-de-sac turns, Vice Chairman Trauger noticed the land slopes down badly there. Mr. Annunziato suggested to the Members, in answer to their comments, that .this was drawn by an Engineer and was checked by Tom Clark, City Engineer, so he presumed they could build it that way. As the Members appeared to have questions they wanted answered, Chairman Ryder suggested they table this. He was surprised the applicant was not present. Mr. Winter moved to TABLE the matter, seconded by Mr. Schultz. The motion carried 5-2 with Messrs. deLong and Pagliarulo voting against the motion. Project Name: Savannah Place at Quail Lake Agent: Richard E. Teagle, P.E. Owner: Phillip Conner Location: Congress Avenue at Golf Road, northwest corner Description: Request for approval for a replat of.Quail Lake plat, including construction plans for infrastructure improvements to serve 135 condominium units in connection with a previouSly approved Planned Unit Development Mr. Annunziato said this came to the Board with a recommenda- tion for approval, subject to comments from the Engineering Department, which he read. Richard E. Teagle, P.E., Agent, had no problem with correct- ing the plat in accordance with the comments from the Engineering Department. In case the Members were wondering why no recreation land value dedication.was shown~ Mr. Annunziato explained thiS. is~.a part of what occurs in the Planned Unit Development, and they dedicated land to the City in lieu of paying the fee. Vice Chairman Trauger moved to approve the preliminary plat, subject to staff comments. Mrs,. Huckle seconded the motion, and the motion carried 7-0. SITE PLANS Project Name: Agent: Owner: Location: Description: BoYnton Beach Child Care Center Peter L. Cheney, City Manager City of Boynton Beach 909 N. E. 3rd Street Request for approval of a 3,000 square foot addition to an existing children's day care center, including landscaping'and paved parking - 14 - MINUTES - PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA JULY 9, 1985 Mr. Golden informed the Members that the proposed addition to the existing structure will consist of a kitchen, conference room, class rooms, and small offices. The pro- posed use of the existing structure will consist of four class rooms and a reception area. Mr. Golden indicated park- ing which will be moved to the rear of the building and expanded when the proposed addition is built. The Technical Review Board recommended approval of the site plan, subject to staff comments. The property is located at the corner of N. E. 9th Avenue and N. E. 3rd Street. To the west of the property is the Public Works equipment storage area. To the north, across N. E. 9th Avenue is a single family home. 'To the east, across N. E. 3rd Street, is another single family home. Mr. Golden pointed to a vacant parcel and said single families are farther south. Access to the site will occur on N. E. 9th Avenue. The applicant also proposes a small driveway in front of the existing building to provide for children being dropped off and picked UP. Mr. Golden read the staff comments from the Energy Coordinator, City Forester, and the Building, Engineering, and Public Works Departments. City Manager Cheney informed the Members that this is the building that was built 18 years ago with a lot of volunteer labor. It is crowded and does not provide the opportunity it should. Boynton Beach Child Care Center, Inc. has attempted to raise some money to put an addition on the building. The City Council became involved in the project and agreed to put additional money into the project (around $115,000) with $12,000 or $15,000 that the Day Care Center has. They will build an addition on the south end and renovate almost the entire building. Two big class rooms that are there now will be cut into four class rooms. The rest rooms will be arranged to serve four class rooms. The existing kitchen will be moved into the new building. Offices will be built in the new building for counseling. City Manager Cheney said it is patterned after a day care center in-West Palm Beach that the Community Action Council liked. One of the four class rooms will have a door that will open up so it can be a meeting room. There will be direct access to recreation out of each class room. City Manager Cheney added that they will get the parking off of the corner, as it is dangerous on N. E. 9th Avenue. - 15- MINUTES - PLANNING AND. ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA JULY 9, 1985 City Manager Cheney continued by saying there will be a covered walkway around the building so children can go from class to class. It is a whole new operation with the City's support and City funding. It is still operated by the Community Action Council. George Davis, Architect, designed the original building and is working on the project. Bob Norene is the Contractor. A mansard roof will be put on the building. Mrs. Huckle asked how many additional children the addition will accommodate. City Manager Cheney replied that it is not expected to accommodate many more, but he estimated about 30. The problem is that the children are over? crowded where they are now. Mrs. Huckle asked what the current capacity is now. It seemed to City Manager Cheney that it was something like 60, and they have 90 plus in there now. Vice Chairman Trauger moved to accept the site plan, subject to staff comments. Mr. Pagliarulo seconded the motion, and the motion carried 7-0. Project Name: Agent: Owner: Location: Description: Caloosa Park Maintenance Building William F. Wilsher Palm Beach County Parks and Recreation Department 1300 S. W. 39th Avenue Request for approval of an amended site plan to allow construction of a 280 square foot maintenance building near softball diamonds Mr. Golden said the applicant requested approval for the building to be located at the end of the cul-de-sac east of the concession stand press box,~between the softball field and the major league field. The Technical Review Board recommended approval of the site plan, subject to staff comments. Mr. Golden said Caloosa Park is bordered on the north by the L-28 Canal. South Tech Vocational Center is located to the west, and industrial properties are further to the west. No parking is provided for the structure. It is a small maintenance building, and the intent is to access the building by foot. The plan does not propose water and sewer services. According to the Utilities Director, water and sewer service must be included to meet the City Building Codes, as indicated in his memorandum of July 3. - 16 - MINUTES - PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA JULY 9, 1985 Mr. Golden read the staff comments from the Building Depart- ment, City Forester, and Utilities Department. No one was present to represent the applicant. Chairman Ryder referred to the comment by the Utilities Department and asked if water and sewer was needed when it is just a storage building. Mr. Annun~ato advised that it is a storage building that will be utilized in the same architecture that currently exists. Chairman Ryder also noticed that the Building Department wants additional information on truss details and wall sections. He also noted reference was made to air condition- ing by the Building Department. Mr. Golden informed the Members that the building was discussed at the meeting of the Technical Review Board. Both the Building and Utilities Departments were made aware of the nature of the building but still thought it needed to conform to Code requirements. Chairman Ryder asked if William F. Wilsher, Agent, had an opportunity to go over the staff comments. Mr. Annunziato did not know but did not think it was a significant problem. Vice Chairman Trauger asked if it was not about the same as a tin shed. Mr. Annunziato said it would serve the same function but the architecture will be'~he~sa~eas is utilized by the County and more expensive. Chairman Ryder thought it was conceivable that they would not have air conditioning and that no one would be living in it. Mr. Annunziato said he would talk to Mr. Wilsher between now and next Tuesday. He reiterated that he did not think there would be a problem as they were dealing primarily with a Code interPretation (Building Code). Chairman Ryder asked if the Board had to go along with the comments. Mr. Annunziato thought they should because it was an interpretation of the Building Code, regardless of what the Board said. Mr. Winter moved, seconded by Mr. Schultz, to approve the site plan, subject to staff comments. Motion carried 7-0. Project Name: Agent: Owner: Location: Description: Northwoods Phase 3 Modification Gary Maresca, Dean Fleming George Culverhouse Hunters Run Golf and Racquet Club Northwoods Addition No. 1 Request for approval of an amended site plan to allow for enlarged floor plans at Northwoods Phase 3 of Hunters Run Golf and Racquet Club Planned Unit Development - 17 - MINUTES - PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA JULY 9, 1985 Mr. Golden informed the Members that the applicant is request- ing a site plan modification to increase the size of two single family detached homes at Phase 3. One unit has a pool with a screened enclosure. The Technical Review Board recommended approval, subject to staff comments. To the north of Tract'E is Tract F. To the west is Delray Dunes Golf and Country Club in Palm Beach County. To the north is the Village of Golf. The two units are located on Northwoods Lane, which is provided access from Summit Drive. Mr. Golden read the staff comments from the Building and Utilities Departments and the City Forester. Mr. Dean Fleming, Agent, 647 S. W. 1st Court, Boynton Beach, Florida 33435, and George Culverhouse, George Culverhonse Construction, 3151 S. W. 14th Place, Boynton Beach, Florida 33436, were present. Chairman Ryder referred to the first comment in the memo from Bob Donovan, Chief Plans Review Inspector, Building Department, dated May 3, 1985 and asked what it meant. The comment was, "Plan shows Building 42 in setback." After consulting with Mr. Culverhouse, Mr. Fleming said they can move the building to meet the requirements. They were aware of the other staff comments. Mr. deLong moved to approve the site plans, subject to staff comments. Mr. Pagliarulo seconded the motion, and the motion carried 7-0. Project Name: Agent: Owner: Location: Description: The Landings M. T. Register The Landings Apartments, Ltd. Congress Avenue at S. W. Congress Blvd., north side Request for approval of a site plan which provides for the construction of 384 apartment units plus landscaping and recreation facilities at The Landings Mr. Golden said the applicant was requesting site plan approval for 56 one bedroom units and 328 two bedroom multi- family attached units on a 52 acre parcel. They are intended to be rental units. A total of 3.5 acres has been provided for recreation facili- ties. In addition, there are three lakes on site. The applicant proposes a racquet ball court. There are four tennis courts and two swimming pools. One pool has a - 18 - MINUTES - PLANNING AND ZONING'BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA JULY 9, 1985 cabana and the other a clubhouse. Mr. Golden continued by saying there is also a children's playground. To the west of the development is a vacant parcel zoned R1AAA. To the north is Stonehaven PUD; to the east, across Congress Avenue, is Leisureville, and adjacent to the south, across Congress Boulevard, is Lakes of Tara Planned Unit Development. Ingress and egress will occur by way of Congress Boulevard. There are two points of entry into the site. Mr. Golden read the staff comments from the Public Works and Recreation Departments and the City Forester. With respect to the City Forester's comment, he said the applicant does intend to revise the landscape plan. Mr. Golden read the memos from the Building, Engineering, and Planning Depart- ments. Enrico Rossi, P.E.., Rossi and Malavasi Engineers, Inc., 1675 Palm Beach Lakes Boulevard, West Palm Beach, Florida 33409, appeared as Agent and said M. "Tom" Register was in the audience. Mr. Rossi accepted the comments. Chairman RYder drew attention to the 3rd comment in Mr. Annunziato's memo of July 2, 1985 which said, "Pedestrian access must be provided along both access roadS. " Chairman Ryder asked if there would be a sidewalk along Congress Avenue, running north and south. Mr. Rossi replied that there was no provision on the plan to do that. He added that he did not know, but engineering is going forward with the four laning of Congress Avenue. Chairman Ryder said the property goes to Congress Avenue, and he.again asked when there would be a sidewalk on Congress Avenue. Mr. Rossi was sure the Task Force would see to it. He imagined it would be incorporated in with the widening. Chairman Ryder commented that the sidewalk could go in now and that Mr. Rossi knew where it should go. He asked if it was not provided because they did not have access on Congress Avenue. Mr. Rossi said it was not a requirem~ent of the project to put a sidewalk along Congress Avenue. He did not know where a particular section was going to show it along Congress. Mr. Rossi added that it would have to be determined by the alternate development of Congress Avenue. Vice Chairman Trauger asked if the developer was contributing to the improvement of Congress Avenue by a fee basis. Mr. Rossi answered, "No'!. He thought this project, like every other project in the County~ will have to pay an impact fee. Mr. Annunziato informed Chairman Ryder that the sidewalk on Congress Avenue will be built in connection with the Congress Avenue reconstruction. - 19- MINUTES - PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA JULY 9, 1985 Mr. Annunziato advised that the construction of the cross section for Congress will be the same cross section that they can see north of Boynton Beach Boulevard. There will be an eight foot bike path on the east side, and a six foot sidewalk or bike path on the west side. Mr. Rossi told Chairman Ryder Congress Boulevard is being dedicated as a result of the work being done on the plat. Chairman Ryder added that it serves the development to the south too. Mr. Rossi said the streets in the project are private. He explained that because this is a rental project, this is a boundary plat that goes on record. There are no condominiums or selling of individual parcels. It is just for points of ingress and egress. Mr. deLong asked what the rental rates would be. Mr. Register believed they were in the low $400s but he was not sure. Mr. Pagliarulo moved to approve the site plan, subject to staff comments. Vice Chairman Trauger seconded the motion, and the motion carried 7-0. Mr. Schultz left at 9:10 P. M. Se Project Name: Agent: Owner: Location: Description: Mannino Shopping Center Everado R. Garcia, Architect Anthony Mannino Boynton Beach Boulevard and N. E. 1st Street, northwest corner Request for site plan approval to construct a 6,300 square foot strip retail and office building on .57 acres Mr. Golden informed the Members that 3,600 square feet of floor space will be used for retail purposes, and 2,700 square feet will be used for office space. The structure is one story. To the west of the parcel is a structure which houses law offices.. Further to the west is a strip commercial center with Dino's. To the rear of the property is a 14 foot wide alley. Across the alley is a single family residential home. To the east, across N. E. 1st Street, is a continuation of the commercial district which fronts on Boynton Beach Boulevard. Access to the site occurs at three points. The first is a two way drop from Boynton Beach Boulevard into the western boundary, which is located 180 feet from the intersection of Boynton Beach Boulevard and N. E. 1st Street. There are also two points of access to the rear of the property. - 20 - MINUTES - PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA JULY 9, 1985 Mr. Golden read the staff comments from the Fire, Engineering, Utilities, Public Works, and Planning Departments and also the City Forester. Mr. Everardo R. Garcia, 290 East Fern Drive, Boca Raton, Florida 33432, heard all of the comments and said he would try to work them out. He said they should have been advised of the comments before getting here. Mr. Annunziato stated that he gave Mr. Anthony Mannino, Property Owner, a copy of the staff comments. Mr. Anthony Mannino, 1501 N. W. 2nd Avenue, Boca Raton, Florida 33432, came forward. Mr. Annunziato advised that these were comments that came out after a review of the plans by the Technical Review Board. He wanted to bring the memo from Kevin Hallahan, City Forester/Horticulturist, dated July 2, 1985, to their attention. Mr. Annunziato thought Mr. Hallahan's comments should be addressed in connection with a modified landscape plan before the appli- cant takes it before the Community Appearance Board next Monday night (July 15, 1985). Mr. Garcia referred to Mr. Annunziato's 2nd comment in his memo of July 2, 1985 and exclaimed that he should have known about the requirement for an additional handicapped space before he came to the meeting. Mr. Annunziato explained that it was simply a Code requirement. Mr. Garcia wanted to know the Code requirement. Mr. Golden advised that it is one for the first 20 spaces, two for 21 through 100 spaces, and 2% after that. Mr. Mannino asked if they would be allowed to have compact car parking. Mr. Annunziato replied, "No, Sir." Chairman Ryder suggested that Mr. Garcia get a copy of the staff comments. Mr. Garcia said he would get them tomorrow. Mr. Annunziato clarified that except for the landscaping, these were changes they would have to make in connection with securing a permit. They were not changes they would have to make before next Tuesday night (July 16, 1985) when they go before the City Council. Mr. Annunziato confirmed Mr. Garcia's statement that he thought the landscape plan would be all they had to modify now. Vice Chairman Trauger asked Mr. Garcia if any consideration was given to making this all ~an office building rather than part retail. Mr. Garcia answered that it was a matter of economics. Vice Chairman Trauger commented that there are very little economics in little strip shopping centers. He said they are across from City Hall on Boynton Beach Boulevard and when the bridge gets through, they will be on the main thoroughfare of the City from the turnpike on in. - 21 - MINUTES - PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA JULY 9, 1985 Vice Chairman Trauger said the City has several little strip shopping centers and, frankly, he thought they looked "pretty bad." He referred to absentee ownership and called attention to Causeway Square. Although he knew it fell within the category, Vice Chairman Trauger hated to see another little strip shopping center and said the City is trying to improve its image. He stressed that they have to start somewhere to make Boynton Beach beautiful. Chairman Ryder referred to a shopping center near Los Mangos that no one is renting and asked if Mr. Garcia was aware of that. Mr. Mannino thought this was a different situation, as this is a small parcel. Mrs. Huckle asked if the applicant had any commitments from any possible renters. Mr. Mannino replied, "Not yet." Mr. Winter moved to approve the site plan, subject to staff comments, seconded by Mr. deLong. Motion carried 5-1. Vice Chairman Trauger voted against the motion. Mr. Schultz was not present, as he left the meeting at 9:10 P. M. There was more discussion about the project and strip shopping centers. Agent: Owner Location: Description: Project Name: Quail Lake West Phase II Robert C. Wade Catania Development Corporation North of Golf Road, West of Congress Request for site plan approval to construct 36 multi-family dwelling units plus land- scaping at Phase II of the Quail Lake West project Mr. Golden advised that the Technical Review Board recom- mended approval of the site plan, subject to staff comments. He said Congress Avenue is located 800 feet east of the Quail Lake West development. Woolbright Road is to the north; Quail Ridge Estates in Palm Beach County is to the west, Golf Road and the L-27 Canal form the southern boundary of the development. Across Golf Road to the south is Cranbrook Estates. Phase II is immediately north of Phase I. Access will be provided from the proposed S. W. 26th Street, which runs into Golf Road. Mr. Golden read the staff comments from the Building and Utilities ~epartments and from the City Forester. Chairman Ryder said they had established S. W. 26th Street will be a dedicated City street going all the way to Wool- bright. - 22 - MINUTES - PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA JULY 9, 1985 Robert C. Wade, Architect, Wade and Kreidt Associates, P. A., 520 Brickell Key Drive, Miami, Florida 33131, reviewed the staff comments and accepted them. Vice Chairman Trauger asked what the marketing price of the units is. Mr. Wade replied that they intend for them to be around $80,000. They will range from $75,000 to $90,000, and there will be four different unit sizes. Mrs. Huckle heard comments on the news tonight that except for Boynton Beach and a couple of areas in Delray Beach, the average cost of a single family home in West Palm Beach and Boca Raton is $160,000. Boynton Beach was mentioned as being in the $80,000 bracket. Vice Chairman Trauger remarked that the Marina called Boynton Beach a "blue collar" city. Mr. Winter moved that the site plans be approved, seconded by Mrs. Huckle. Motion carried 6-0. Project Name: Sunpoint Savings Bank Agent: Howarth L. Lewis, Architect Owner: Sunpoint Savings Bank Location: Congress Avenue at Old Boynton Road, northwest corner Description: Request for site plan approval to construct a 20,298 square foot new branch banking facility/office building on 1.26 acres Mr. Golden said this will be a three story building with a bank located on the ground floor and offices on the second and third floors. Banking facilities with two drive-in teller windows will be on the ground floor. The Technical Review Board recommended approval of the site plan, subject to staff comments. The proposed site is located on the west side of Congress Avenue, approximately 400 feet north of the intersection of Old Boynton Road and Congress Avenue. To the east, across Congress, is a large vacant tract which is single family residential. There is also an undeveloped tract to the south and west, which is still owned by the Lake Worth bank. Access to the site will occur from the mall road at the northwest corner of the property. A curb cut is to be constructed through the median. Mr. Golden read the staff comments from the Building, Fire, Engineering, Utilities, and Planning Departments and also the comments from the Energy Coordinator and City Forester. - 23- MINUTES - PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA JULY 9, 1985 Steve Boruff, Architect, Peacock & Lewis, Architects & Planners, Inc., 501 South Flagler Drive, West Palm Beach, Florida, was aware of the staff comments and had no problem. It looked to Chairman Ryder like there was an out parcel. He asked if this bordered directly on Congress Avenue and if there was an intervening space between their plot and Congress Avenue. Mr. Boroff said no space was there. If you look at the overlay, Mr. Annunziato said Congress is directly in front of the building. Mrs. HuCkle thought the location map showed it differently and asked if this was to replace the temporary. Mr. Boruff replied that it is. The temporary is a little bit south. Mrs. Huckle remarked that it is a long way from the corner of Old Boynton Road. There was more discussion. Mr. Golden advised that the landscaping will be approxi- mately 400 feet north of the intersection between Old Boynton Road and Congress Avenue. Mr. Annunziato indicated the out parcel, which is at the southeast corner of the mall. He said it is south of the first mall access road that you come to as you go north of Old Boynton Road and east of Mall Access Road B, which comes from Boynton Beach Boulevard, across Old Boynton Road. The entire parcel is now owned by First Federal Savings and Loan of Lake Worth. They are keeping 1.3 acres plus or minus for this facility and are marketing the remainder. There will be about 11 acres left after they cut out this piece. vice Chairman Trauger moved, seconded by Mr. Pagliarulo, to approve the site plans, subject to staff comments. Motion carried 6-0. COMMENTS BY MEMBERS Future Growth of Boynton Beach - vice Chairman Trauqer After discussion, Vice Chairman Trauger wished this to be on the record. He frankly thought the Board should be taking a look at what is being constructed in the way of the future growth of Boynton Beach, from an appearance standpoint and a use standpoint. Vice Chairman Trauger was concerned about the vast condominiums they built and commented that Condominium and Homeowners Associations are really the "Devil's Advocate" after you have been in one. vice Chairman Trauger asked if "a cheap economic City" was going to be our image to everyone. He said most cities everyone grew up in had nice residential areas with lovely, - 24 - MINUTES - PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA JULY 9, 1985 big homes. Boynton Beach has Golfview Harbor, Chapel Hill, and a few others. Chapel Hill is in its second ownership and is starting to deteriorate. Golfview Harbor will do the same. Lake Ida is practically filled up. He asked where the Executives live. Although they may work here, Vice Chairman Trauger said they live outside. The city needs economics and affluent people as well as the pick and shovel people. They are bringing in a long area of workers in categories of medium income, vice Chairman Trauger asked if we will be just a small medium income City or will we have some affluent citizens within our boundaries too. He asked where we would put them and thought there was very little land use that would be conducive unless it would be on the south, opposite the church, but it has no water connection for houses in the neighborhood of $135,000 to $175,000. If $50,000 to $80,000 is the average here, vice Chairman Trauger said it should be doubled. Vice Chairman Trauger thought many people would like to live in an individual house on their land and not be mixed up with Condominium and Homeowners Associations and living in "rabbit hutches". He thoughtl the Planning and Zoning Board should be taking a good look at this down the road. Chairman Ryder told Vice Chairman Trauger he overlooked Hunters Run. He said the function the Board provides is to check on whether the application conforms to the particular zoning. Vice Chairman Trauger was implying that the Planning and Zoning Board should be giving guidance to the city Council for the future direction of this city. He asked what the city will look like 15 or 20 years from now and questioned whether it will be full of "rabbit hutches" or nice big places all alone. It was apparent to chairman Ryder that Vice Chairman Trauger was talking about putting everything in R1AAA category. vice Chairman Trauger thought they should provide as much R1AAA that can be developed. Mr. Annunziato understood what vice Chairman Trauger was saying but was not so sure that the dye had already been cast. Mr. Winter agreed and said all of the area west of Congress Avenue was residential, and now they are having 7 and 8 units per acre put in there. Mr. deLong pointed out that another problem is the cost of land is so high, it encourages the development of multi-units. vice Chairman Trauger argued that the cost of land always has been high in proportion. If they did not allow such high density development, Mr. Winter thought the cost of - 25- MINUTES - PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA JULY 9, 1985 land would go down. Across the United States, Vice Chairman Trauger said to look at the small towns where lovely homes were built. They were high priced even when he was a boy, and it still is today. Mr. deLong advised that we have a lot of that type of zoning. vice Chairman Trauger referred to Quail Ridge and said they did not even want the name of Boynton Beach. They wanted the image of Delray Beach. Vice Chairman Trauger thought they should lay the glove down at some place and see what they could do or they will keep on perpetuating condominiums and congregate living. Chairman Ryder said we are getting R1AAA on Seacr~est, near Gulfstream Boulevard. vice Chairman Trauger said there are lovely homes along the Intracoastal, but how about five or six houses back. Mr. Winter recalled approving land on the east side between Swinton and Seacrest, but nobody ever built in there, vice chairman Trauger said you have to be able to market it. He said we market the $80,000, $90,000 "hutch type" house. Now we are locked in also by a referendum to a straw ballot that the city does not want to extend its boundary line any- where; we still say we are half developed within the City. vice Chairman Trauger asked who will run the City in 10 or 15 years. "Who will be sitting on the Boards and the Council? All the Laborers in Town who work in all of the fac%ories? I~t will take some brains and ability and people that know how to handle money to run a city. Where are they going to come from?" Mr. Annunziato thought they would be here. Vice Chairman Trauger asked where they will live. Mr. Annunziato thought they would be living in the same places they live in now. Mr. Annunziato thought you could find almost any price house in Boynton Beach you would be willing to pay for. A plan was presented today for houses that will probably be $250,000. Mr. Pagliarulo advised that you have to establish the land first. Mr. Annunziato did not think there was a direct relationship in what you pay for the house and the kind of construction you receive. He thought it was the same construction, regardless of what you paid for the house. Mr. deLong did not see a direct correlation between the price of the house you live in and your intelligence. Mr. deLong agreed there should probably be more R1AAA areas and they should give the city direction, but he also thought they should be sure to provide for everybody in Boynton Beach. Mrs. Huckle recalled they created R1AAA in 1975. - 26 - MINUTES - PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA JULY 9, 1985 Glass Buildings - Mrs. Huckle Mrs. Huckle was concerned about all of the glass buildings because of hurricanes, and she referred to the big one in the Boynton Commerce Center at Woolbright. She wondered if the Board should not be looking at that as far as the debris that blows through when hurricanes hit. It is becomming a real item of discussion in Pompano Beach and Fort Lauderdale. Mr. Annunziato said it has been discussed and that it came up when First American Plaza's office building was presented to Council. He thought the only comment made that they could rely on was that it met the Southern Building Code. Mr. Winter thought it required that the building have a resistance to at least a 150 mile an hour wind. He asked what happens if you have 175 m.p.h, winds. Mrs. Huckle said we have a lot of citizens to think of and should not let that get past the Board. Mr. Annunziato said he would attempt to get an analysis from the Building official regarding this. Causeway Squar~ chairman Ryder said they have to do something about the parking there because there is no direction. It is the same way at Sunshine Square. Mr. deLong recalled that Sun- shine Square was almost cancelled by their insurance company because so many people were falling over the bumper stops, and the parking lot had to be revamped and the bumper stops taken out. chairman Ryder referred to Woolbright Corporate Center, which has islands and curb stops. ADJOURNMENT There being no further business to come before the Board, vice chairman Trauger moved, seconded by Mr. winter, to adjourn, and the meeting adjourned at 10:00 P. M. 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