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Minutes 07-13-77MINUTES' OF THE WORF~SHOP MEETIITG OF THE PLANNING & ZONING BOARD HELD AT CITY HALL, BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA WED~ESDAY, JULY 13, 1977 AT 3: O0 P. M. PRESENT Simon Ryder, Chairman Mrs. Marilyn Huckle Mrs. Mary Schorr Richard Lambert Carmen An~unziato, City Planner ABSENT Col. Walter M. Trauger, Vice Chairman Garry Winter (Excused) Ronald Arena (Excused) Chairman Ryder called the meeting to order at 3:10 P. M. and announced it was a workshop meeting for the purpose to con- tinue discussion of Chapter 30 regarding trailers and related matters. He stated they were going into detail regarding the definition of vehicles and consider the matter of permissive uses of parking on private property. He added that as far as parking on public streets, he does not think there is~any question about the fact they have to be barred. Also, he thinks they should consider the area of boats. He announced he had attempted to work within the framework of Chapter 30 and amend accordingly and requested Mr. Annunziato's comments. ~. Annunziato stated he thought they had established the groundwork and thiB~s they are all talking about some sort of regulation. The permit procedure seems to be a good way to go. He wishes they could put some performance standards on the storage of vehicles to eliminate a junk yard effect. Also, he would be in favor of having a site plan submitted with the per- mit application and explained. He does not support the unregu- lated number of vehicles parked in the rear yard~. Ln regards to the number, he does not think the one should be counted parked in an enclosed structure. They must regulate the number allowed to be parked. Also tobe considered are trailers of other sorts, such as lawn maintenance trailers. They must consider vehicles used for multi,.purposes. Chairman Ryder suggested that he read his proposed amendments for discussion. He referred to Article t and suggested adding Section (f) to define recreation vehicles to read: "The phrase recreation vehicle shall be defined as follows: vehicle used primarily for recreation purposes whether used on land or water including towLng equipment used to transport such vehicle and may include a camper, van, pickup camper, and possibly motor home.,, Under Section 30-3 regarding parking on private property, add No 2 - No t~ailer or mobile home which is not - self-pro-, pelled may be pazked on priVate preperty unless it is within a fully enclosed garage or parked within the side or rear yards. Trucks under 3/4 ton rated capacity and boats and boat trailers may be parked either in an enclosed garage or within MINUTES - WORKSHOP MEETING PLANNING & ZONING BOARD PAGE TWO JULY 13, 1977 side or rear yards. He suggests a new Section#3 - Parking on Driveways - Vans, campers and panel or pickup trucks not over 3/4 ton rated capacity may be permitted to park on drive- ways (with the possibility of including motor homes). He would follow this up with requiring a permit in each instance. Under Section 30-4, Limitation of Number of Vehicles on Parcel of L~d, which was taken from the Delray Beach ordinance, (A) One boat and trailer or one recreation vehicle m~y be pa~ked in side or rear yard. He suggests that the boat trailer or recreation vehicle must be used by the owner/resident of the premises. A boat or boat trailer or recreation vehicle may be pa~ked only if it is currently registered as required by the State or Federal Law. (D) Total parking of boat with trailers, motor homes and recreation vehicles, would be limited to two at each residence. (E) No boat or Boat trailer shall be parked in the area between the street and the struc- ture. Section 30-5,~ Permits for Parking: (a) For the parking or storage of amy (other than~-~passenger v~hicles), the owner/resident shall apply for and obtain a permit from the Building Official prior to the parking or storage of any vehicle. A permit shall be obtained for each such vehicle which shall be valid owner of such vehicle rema~s a resident (b) The Building Official shall permit if he finds the following facts to exist: will be parked or stored in a safe and orderly manner.. Special attention shall be given to and special conditions may be attached to the per- mit to reasonably insure that campers stored upon the driveways will not be a hazard to people entering the driveway or persons passing on the sidewalk. The BUilding Official shall ismme a permit decal for each permit granted pursuant to this section which shall be affixed and maintained on the vehicle. The decal shall be removed when it~is no longer valid pursuant to this section. The City Manager may establish administra- tive regulations to aid in the administration of the provi- sion of this chapter including additional limitations upon driveway parking more restrictively than s~t in this section which may be necessary to carry out the purpose and intent of the provision of this chapter. He explained that this was a rough draft for the Board's discussion. Mr. Lambert referred to the permit requirements not mentioning a current inspection sticker and Chairman Ryder replied that he did mention motor vehicle registration, but did not mention including a plan as he has some reservations whether it would present problems to the applicant~ He does not rule it out entirely, but feels possibly the people may find it to be an obstacle. Mr. Annunziato suggested limiting the parking of these vehicles to some sort of slab area and Mr. Lambert added that they should also require the proper tie-downs. ~. Annunziato replied that he did not think tie-downs were necessary according to the use MINUTES - WOrkSHOP ~TING PLANNING & ZONING BOARD PAGE THREE JULY 13, 1977 of theSe vehicles. It would also add a point of enforcement to this. Mr. Lambert then referred to the cost of pouring slabs and they discussed whether this would be necessary. Chairman Ryder referred to making a distinction between re- creation vehicles and explained that he thought self-pro- pelled vehicles could be parked in the front, But vehicles requiring towing should be parked in the side or rear since they are not used as frequently. Mr. Annunziato replied that he thought there would Be a problem with that amd questions whether a distinction can be made. He does not know if they could have one recreation vehicle hame more enforcement than another. ~. Lambert stated that he personally would not like to be told he was not allowed to park his boat in his driveway. Mr. Annunziato also pointed out that in some in- stances there was not enough room to park a boat on the sides of houses. Mr. Lambert added that there also could be some problems getting a boat into the rear yard to be parked. They discussed the parking of boats further. Mrs. Huckle then referred to the possible effects to the neighbors with having a boat, motor home, or recreation vehicle parked on the side. She suggested giving the alter- native of parking the vehicles in the driveway or back, but she is opposed to side setbacks. M~. Annunziato explained how there were objections to having them parked in the rear yards. There was further discussion regarding parking in the setbacks. Mr. Annunziato referred to parking in the side yard setbacks and suggested setting a certain footage such as 7 ft. and if a person has a large enough side yard, he can use it for parking, but if less than 7 ft. ~ould not. Mrs. Schorr told about equipment ~s~ed for business being parked in her neighborhood and Mr. Lambert informed her that it had been discussed not to allow commercial vehicles. Chairman Ryder stated that they must consider panel trucks and vans being used for business purposes. Mr. Annunziato stated he did not think it could be classified as a recrea- tion vehicle if it is being used for work or personal use. They discussed the weight capacity limitation for vans and trucks and ~. Annunziato suggested covering this by defi- nition. They then discussed where the vehicles should be allowed to be parked f~rther and the possibility of not allowing them to be parked in the se2backs. M~o Annunziato asked if there was going to be a limitation on the number and Chairman Ryder suggested not allowing more than two, not counting what is in the enclosed garage. MINUTES - WORKSHOP P~KETING PLANNING & ZONING BOARD PAGE FOUR JULY 13, 1977 Mr. Lambert referred to Jet Skis and Jon Boats and they dis- cussed various types of vehicles. ~r. Annunziato referred to requiring a paved area to park the vehicle on and M~s. Huckle referred to requiring tie-downs and asked if they could be anchored without being parked on a slab. They discussed tie-down requirements and Mr. Lambert suggested that .Mr. Howell be consulted as to whether it would be feasible. Mr. Annunziato then referred to requiring a site plan and ex- plained how there might be the necessity to require a survey also. They discussed the preparation of site plans and Mr. Annunziato stated he thought it was important that a person understands where a recreation vehicle is allowed to be parked. Chairman Ryder suggested that the City supply a simple line drawing with the application to be completed. Mr. Lambert referred to allowing parking in the front and they discussed whether this would be adequate with requiring sur- facing and not allowing parking in the side setback. Mrs. Huckle stated she thought the number of vehicles should be limited with allowing the parking in the front and Mr. Lambert suggested two being allowed in the front and: one in the buildable area. M~. Lambert then pointed out how it would be more attractive to park in a widened driveway to the side rather than in front of the house. They discussed at length the effects of allowing parking in the front. Chairman Ryder stated he did not think they should require surfacing or slabs and explai~ued how these vehicles were con- sidered temporary and could be properly parked on the grass. ~M. Lambert stated that if paving was not a requirement, then parking should possibly be allowed on the side. After ~iscussion, Mr. Annunziato suggested'ithat this be given more thought and Chairman Ryder added that the members not present should also be given an opportunity to consider this. Mr. Lambert then referred to the possibility of the vehicles parking in the grassed area between the sidewalk and street and Mr. Annunziato reolied that he did not think it was a good idea to go in that area. They discussed parking in this area and Mr. Annunziato stated he did not think anything shomld be permitted to be parked or stored in the rights-of-way with possible access being necessary for the utility lines. Mr. Lambert then asked if parking in a carport would be allowed and ~. Annunziato replied that he recommended parking in an enclosed garage or carport enclosed on three sides, which would be the same status. Mr. Annunziato referred to the possibility of having a carport enclosed on only two sides and the members agreed this would be satisfactory. ~. MINUTES- WORKSHOP MEETING PL~NING & ZONING BOARD PAGE FIVE JULY 13, 1977 Annunziato suggested including the wording that the vehicles may not stick out further than the roof line and the members agreed. Mr. Lambert referred to the possibility of having unregistered boats or cars in carports in plain view with people working on them since they would be considered in the same classifica- tion as a garage. They discussed this possibility a~d Mr. Annunziato suggested that the vehicles in the carports be required to have a permit.~ After further discussion, Mro Annunziato clarified that the consensus was'~to allow as many vehicles as desired in an enclosed garage and in at least a two sided carport, but not extending beyond the roof line, and a permit required for carport vehicles only. He added that a vehicle in a carport would be the same as in an en- closed garage but with performance standards. They discussed further whether it would be advisable to require the vehicles parked in a carport to obtain per,ts and Chairman Ryder sug- gested that everyone consider these suggestions further° Chairman Ryder then ascertained that the members were in agree- ment to have the next workshop meeting on Wednesday, July 20 at 3:00 Po M. Mrs. Huckle referred to the definition and Mr. Lambert replied that he didn't see any problem with that and~suggested that Mr. Annunziato recommend a definition for their approval. M~. Annunziato stated that they must consider two purpose vehicles as he doesn't think they can be treated as recrea- tion vehicles with serving two purposes. He added that they would have to decide how big, etc. Mrs. Huckle asked if the Dept. of Vehicle Registration made a distinction of the vehi- cles in some way and Mr. Lambert suggested having a local dealer's representative come to a meeting and explain the dif- ferences. N~. Lambert referred to a Coast Guard sticker not being required for a boat and Chairman Ryder informed him that all boats must have a State registration number. They discussed the Coast Guard inspection and~registration requirements. Mrs. Huckle read the section of the Lake Park code regarding not allowing work on equipment and added that it also has a maximum width, length and height, number of vehicles allowed, etc. Mrs. Schorr referred to vans parking when visiting and they discussed possible regulations for temporary parking~ Mrs. $chorr made a motion to adjourn, seconded by Mr. Lambert. Motion carried 4-O and the meeting was properly adjourned. (Two Tapes)