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SEPTEMBER 19, 1995
this shed if it applies to Code and meets all requirements. In an attempt to speed up the process, he
requested authorization for the Building Department or TRC to approve this addition if requirements
are met.
Ms, Heyden explained that if the size exceeds 5 percent, it would require formal site plan review. If
it is under .5 percent, it can go through the minor site plan process in the Building Department. When
square footage is added, if the structure falls under that "adding square footage category", many issues
must be reviewed.
THERE WAS NO ONE PRESENT WHO WISHED TO SPEAK AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
Motion
Commissioner Jaskiewicz moved to approve the request to amend the approved site plan to expand
the car wash to include a canopy for automobile polishing and vacuuming, additional parking, and a
vehicle stacking area on a .23 acre parcel north of the existing car wash, subject to staff comments.
Vice Mayor Bradley seconded the motion which carried unanimously.
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Project Name:
Agent:
Owner:
Location:
Palm Walk a/k/a Boynton Belvedere
Mark Fassey
Trio Associates Limited
North side of S,W. 19th Avenue, approximately 351 feet east
of Congress Avenue
TIME EXTENSIONS: Request for a one-year time extension
for conditional use approval and concurrency certification for
construction of a 48 bed adult congregate living facility (ACLF)
for Alzheimer's/dementia patients
Description:
Markfassey,agentJor the applicant, was present in the audience.
Mation
Vice Mayor Bradley moved to approve the one-year time extension for conditional use approval subject
to staff comments. Commissioner Jaskiewicz seconded the motion which carried unanimously.
K. Administrative appeal for Shoppes of Boynton for- Ross Dress for less
John Hoecker, managing agent for the Shoppes of Boynton, reported that they are attempting to
modify an entryway to one of the major anchor tenant spaces. A great deal of money has been
invested in this shopping center, and there are no plans to do anything which will detract from its
appearance. "Ross Dress for Less" will occupy the largest space in the building. This area lacks
identity. The space has been vacant for over a year, and that problem has been resolved by filling the
space with "Ross Dress for Less". The problem encountered in filling the space resulted from the fact
that the space is set back from the remainder of the center. Because it is an anchor space, and the
largest space in the building, the owners feel it warrants more identity than currently exists.
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Mark SaLtzf--archite.ctfor_ th~ project, reported that a new sketch exists which addresses staff's
comments and his client's need for identity. They arrived at a proposal which replicates the triangular
peaks, but extends the peak to a higher elevation over what was originally Freddy's. In doing this, the
sign band can be placed in the identical height location in relation to the ground. He displayed
photographs of the current conditions, and a sketch of the proposal. At a meeting with Ms. Heyden,
there was discussion relative to bringing the two columns forward so that they are flush and will allow
a location for placement of the "Ross" sign. If the peak is replicated to match the top parapet of the
building, no advantage is gained. The sign will still remain at the same elevation, and will not be able
to be seen from the street. The applicant is proposing to align the trim bands, This will then permit
the "Ross" sign to be placed in line with the "Luria's" sign. The applicant is attempting to match the
height of the "Luria's" sign,
Mr. Saltz feels that if the Commission approves raising the peak, he can work out everything else with
staff.
Ms. Heyden advised that the applicant has taken staff's comments, worked with them, and met staff
somewhere in between. The applicant is proposing a letter height of 72". The sign program for the
shopping center was amended in 1993 to allow letters up to 48". She would approve the sketch as
long as the letter height is not greater than 48".
Mr. Saltz pointed out that when the sign program was amended to 48", it was done for Ben Franklin
which is a junior anchor. "Ross" would not want a sign less than "Luria's". The original sign criteria
called for all the anchor tenants to have one color sign, and all junior anchors to have another color.
Vice Mayor Bradley pointed out that the project could be approved subject to the sign matching the
size of Luria's sign.
Commissioner Rosen asked for clarification on the design of the "Ross Dress for Less" sign. Mr. Saltz
explained that the "Ross" sign is blue in color, and it is internally neon lighted. The sign has individual
channel letters.
Mayor Taylor inquired as to the height of the individual letters.
lohI1-Quincy.. store architect for Ross Dress for Les~ explained that if they use 60" "Ross" letters, they
would then use 30" "Dress for Less" letters. "Ross" would like to maintain parity with the other major
tenant in the center. The "Dress for Less" portion of the sign will be located lower than the "Ross"
portion. It is essential that the name "Ross" be the same size as Luria's (5'), and then the lower band
at 30".
Mayor Taylor feels this tenant will then have a sign, when the two lines are combined, which measures
approximately 8'. Luria's may then have the same complaint.
Mr. Quincy stated that the lower the sign location is placed, the more the planting area will obscure
it. There is not sufficient room to place the entire logo in the upper area. "Ross" feels the 5' sign
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matching Luria's (having the same height) provides parity and will work to the benefit of the center.
Mayor Taylor confirmed with the applicants that the top line of the "Ross" sign will be at the same
height as the top line of the Luria's sign.
In response to Mayor Taylor's question, Ms. Heyden maintains that 48" is adequate for signage. She
feels a 5' letter height is very large, and Luria's sign is too big. She does not feel this is necessary.
Mayor Taylor agreed because he felt this sign would be larger than Luria's.
Commissioner Rosen feels that if they match Luria's and are aligned with that sign, it will look better. .
Eye appeal suggests that the signs be aligned and matched. Mayor Pro Tem Matson and Commissioner
Jaskiewicz agreed.
Motion
Mayor Pro Tem Matson moved to approve the appeal for "Ross Dress for Less" to change the building
facade as the new drawing tonight stipulated, and to approve the lettering at the same height and on
the same level as the "Luria's" for "Ross"; and the "Dress for Less" to be smaller and proportionate.
Commissioner Jaskiewicz seconded the motion.
Vice Mayor Bradley believes the 4' letters are the way to go. If all of the letters on all of the buildings
were exactly the same, he would vote for 5'. However, because of the signage underneath the name
"Ross", he feels 4' is the way to go, He will vote against this application.
Mayor Pro Tem Matson feels they should be uniform.
The motion carried 3-2. (Mayor Taylor and Vice Mayor Bradley cast the dissenting votes.)
IX. NEW BUSINESS:
A. Items for discussion requested by Mayor Jerry Taylor
1 . Amend sign code for fast food drive-through menu boards
Mayor Taylor advised that our Sign Code now calls for 25 square feet for menu boards. The sign at the
McDonald's on Federal Highway and other businesses throughout the City exceed that Code. He does
not have a big problem with the 5' x 7' sign McDonald'.s is proposing for their new location on
Congress Avenue.
Clark Bridgma~ repr5enti~cDonald's, said the applicant has been before the various boards to
present their site plan. They have adhered to staff's recommendations particularly on signage and the
menu board. Mr. Bridgman has reviewed existing menu boards throughout the City and found the
existing menu boards are equivalent to McDonald's standard menu board. The 5' x 7' board is an
industry standard. He requested support from the City Commission to allow the use of this size sign
at the new location on Congress Avenue,
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Commissioner Rosen said this site will be a new concept, and therefore, they should design a new
menu board. There will be a tremendous amount of confusion with a gasoline station, carry-out,
restaurant and restroom. Commissioner Rosen recommends that by eliminating the illustrative center
section of the sign, the menu board will be very close in size to the requirements of the Code, and
would be a better-looking sign. Commissioner Rosen will vote against this request.
Commissioner Jaskiewicz does not have a problem with the sign being slightly larger with regard to
the lettering, but does not feel the illustrations are necessary.
Mayor Pro Tem Matson reviewed the building official's memorandum of September 14, wherein he
states that the sign ordinance has been in place since before 1988, and many of the newly-approved
projects were held to the standards of that ordinance. In addition, changing the law to accommodate
a particular complainant is now sound public policy when a variance procedure is in place.
Vice Mayor Bradley recommended that the applicant eliminate the pictures from the sign.
Mr. Bridgman explained that the photos identify certain packages offered by McDonald's. This
facilitates the drive-through concept because it allows the customer to order by item number. This is
a standard throughout the industry.
Mr. Bridgman further explained that in discussions with staff, the applicant was 1 Y2 square feet under
the administrative process for the standard 5' x 7' menu board. This did not take the exclusion of
pictures into consideration.
Commissioner Jaskiewicz felt that the other McDonald's sites throughout the City were larger and stood
alone. This is a smaller, combination site, and a 5' x 7' sign is very large.
Mr. Bridgman said the applicant is attempting to provide a menu board which is easy to read. The sign
will be located behind the building and will not be seen from the roadway, This combined use is
approximately the same size building as currently exists on Woolbright Road.
Consensus
There was a consensus of the Commission not to amend the Sign Code for the fast-food
drive-through menu board.
2. Set Date for Workshop Meeting
There was agreement among the Commission to hold this meeting on Thursday, October 26, at 4:00
p.m. The topic of discussion will be the Appearance Code.
X. LEGAL:
A. Ordinances - 2nd Reading - PUBLIC HEARING
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this shed if it plies to Code and meets all requirements. In an attempt to speed up the process, he
requested auth ization for the Building Department r TRC to approve this addition if requirements
are met.
Ms. Heyden explaine that if the size exceeds - percent, it would require formal site plan review. If
it is under 5 percent, it n go through the mi site plan process in the Building Department. When
square footage is added, i e structure falls nder that "adding square footage category", many issues
must be reviewed.
WISHED TO SPEAK AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THERE WAS NO ONE PRESEN
Motion
Commissioner Jaskiewicz mov to appr ve the request to amend the approved site plan to expand
the car wash to include a can y for autom ile polishing and vacuuming, additional parking, and a
vehicle stacking area on a. 3 acre parcel n of the existing car wash, subject to staff comments.
Vice Mayor Bradley seco ed the motion whi carried unanimously.
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Mark Fassey \
Trio Associates [~ited
North side of S.W. 19th Avenue, approximately 351 feet east
of Con~ress Avenue
~'-~;" ~.';02L}\ j \..e:.r.....(....l for a one-year time extension
for conditional use app' val and concurrency certification for
construction of a 48 bed a ult congregate living facility (ACLF)
for Alzheimer's/dementia p ients
Project
Agent.
Ow r:
Lo tion:
y,...ag.enLfor the applicant was present in the audience.
ayor Bradley moved to approve the one-year time extension for conditio al use approval subject
comments. Commissioner Jaskiewicz seconded the mqtion which carn unanimously.
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K. Administrative appeal for Shoppes of Boynton for- Ross Dress for Less
John Hoecker, managing agent for the Shoppes of Boynton, reported that they are attempting to
modify an entryway to one of the major anchor tenant spaces. A great deal of money has been
invested in this shopping center, and there are no plans to do anything which will detract from its
appearance. "Ross Dress for Less" will occupy the largest space in the building. This area lacks
identity. The space has been vacant for over a year, and that problem has been resolved by filling the
space with "Ross Dress for Less". The problem encountered in filling the space resulted from the fact
that the space is set back from the remainder of the center. Because it is an anchor space, and the
largest space in the building, the owners feel it warrants more identity than currently exists.
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REGULAR CITY COMMISSION MEETING
BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA
SEPTEMBER 19, 1995
MarkpSaltz,....a[chit.e.ctfor. th.e..project, reported that a new sketch exists which addresses staff's
comments and his client's need for identity. They arrived at a proposal which replicates the triangular
peaks, but extends the peak to a higher elevation over what was originally Freddy's. In doing this, the
sign band can be placed in the identical height location in relation to the ground. He displayed
photographs of the current conditions, and a sketch of the proposal. At a meeting with Ms. Heyden,
there was discussion relative to bringing the two columns forward so that they are flush and will allow
a location for placement of the "Ross" sign. If the peak is replicated to match the top parapet of the
building, no advantage is gained. The sign will still remain at the same elevation, and will not be able
to be seen from the street. The applicant is proposing to align the trim bands. This will then permit
the "Ross" sign to be placed in line with the "luria's" sign. The applicant is attempting to match the
height of the "Luria's" sign.
Mr. Saltz feels that if the Commission approves raising the peak, he can work out everything else with
staff.
Ms. Heyden advised that the applicant has taken staff's comments, worked with them, and met staff
somewhere in between. The applicant is proposing a letter height of 72". The sign program for the
shopping center was amended in 1993 to allow letters up to 48". She would approve the sketch as
long as the letter height is not greater than 48".
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Mr. Saltz pointed out that when the sign program was amended to 48", it was done for Ben Franklin
which is a junior anchor. "Ross" would not want a sign less than "Luria's". The original sign criteria
called for all the anchor tenants to have one color sign, and all junior anchors to have another color.
Vice Mayor Bradley pointed out that the project could be approved subject to the sign matching the
size of Luria's sign.
Commissioner Rosen asked for clarification on the design of the "Ross Dress for Less" sign. Mr. Saltz
explained that the "Ross" sign is blue in color, and it is internally neon lighted. The sign has Individual
channel letters.
Mayor Taylor inquired as to the height of the individual letters.
lohn. Quincy, store architect for Ross Dress fod.es~ explained that if they use 60" "Ross" letters, they
would then use 30" "Dress for Less" letters. "Ross" would like to maintain parity with the other major
tenant in the center. The "Dress for Less" portion of the sign will be located lower than the "Ross"
portion. It is essential that the name "Ross" be the same size as Luria's (5'), and then the lower band
at 3D".
Mayor Taylor feels this tenant will then have a sign, when the two lines are combined, which measures
approximately 8'. Luria's may then have the same complaint.
Mr. Quincy stated that the lower the sign location is placed, the more the planting area will obscure
it. There is not sufficient room to place the entire logo in the upper area. "Ross" feels the 5' sign
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matching Luria's (having the same height) provides parity and will work to the benefit of the center.
Mayor Taylor confirmed with the appHcants that the top line of the "Ross" sign will be at the same
height as the top line of the Luria's sign.
In response to Mayor Taylor's question, Ms. Heyden maintains that 48" is adequate for signage. She
feels a 5' letter height is very large, and Luria's sign is too big. She does not feel this is necessary.
Mayor Taylor agreed because he felt this sign would be larger than Luria's.
Commissioner Rosen feels that if they match Luria's and are aligned with that sign, it will look better. .
Eye appeal suggests that the signs be aligned and matched. Mayor Pro Tem Matson and Commissioner
Jaskiewicz agreed.
Motion
Mayor Pro Tem Matson moved to approve the appeal for "Ross Dress for Less" to change the building
facade as the new drawing tonight stipulated, and to approve the lettering at the same height and on
the same level as the "Luria's" for "Ross"; and the "Dress for Less" to be smaller and proportionate.
Commissioner Jaskiewicz seconGled the motion.
Vice Mayor Bradley believes the 4' letters are the way to go. If all of the letters on all of the buildings
were exactly the same, he would vote for 5'. However, because of the signage underneath the name
"Ross", he feels 4' is the way to go. He will vote against this application.
Mayor Pro Tem Matson feels they shoufd be uniform.
The motion carried 3-2. (Mayor Taylor and Vice Mayor Bradley cast the dissenting votes.)
A.
1.
IX.
Mayor Taylor advised that ou . n Code now calls for 25 square et for menu boards. The sign at the
McDonald's on Federal Hi way d other businesses through t t City exceed that Code. He does
not have a big proble with the 'x 7' sign McDonald?' is prop ing for their new location on
Congress Avenue. /' ,/
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ClarkBridgmalJ/';~pr..esenting McDonald's, id the-applicant has been befo the various boards to
present their;ite plan. They have adhered to st/ Js recommendations particular on signage and the
menu boaJd. Mr. Bridgman has reviewed e,~isti menu boards throughout the and found the
existing;nenu boards are equivalent to MCDonald standard menu board. The 5' x 'board is an
industpv standard. He requested suppmt from the Ci Commission to allow the use of t . size sign
at the new location on Congress Avenue.
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