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LEGAL APPROVAL MINUTES REGULAR CITY COMMISSION MEETING BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA SEPTEMBER 19, 1995 this shed if it applies to Code and meets all requirements. In an attempt to speed up the process, he requested authorization for the Building Department or TRC to approve this addition if requirements are met. Ms, Heyden explained that if the size exceeds 5 percent, it would require formal site plan review. If it is under .5 percent, it can go through the minor site plan process in the Building Department. When square footage is added, if the structure falls under that "adding square footage category", many issues must be reviewed. THERE WAS NO ONE PRESENT WHO WISHED TO SPEAK AT THE PUBLIC HEARING. Motion Commissioner Jaskiewicz moved to approve the request to amend the approved site plan to expand the car wash to include a canopy for automobile polishing and vacuuming, additional parking, and a vehicle stacking area on a .23 acre parcel north of the existing car wash, subject to staff comments. Vice Mayor Bradley seconded the motion which carried unanimously. J. Project Name: Agent: Owner: Location: Palm Walk a/k/a Boynton Belvedere Mark Fassey Trio Associates Limited North side of S,W. 19th Avenue, approximately 351 feet east of Congress Avenue TIME EXTENSIONS: Request for a one-year time extension for conditional use approval and concurrency certification for construction of a 48 bed adult congregate living facility (ACLF) for Alzheimer's/dementia patients Description: Markfassey,agentJor the applicant, was present in the audience. Mation Vice Mayor Bradley moved to approve the one-year time extension for conditional use approval subject to staff comments. Commissioner Jaskiewicz seconded the motion which carried unanimously. K. Administrative appeal for Shoppes of Boynton for- Ross Dress for less John Hoecker, managing agent for the Shoppes of Boynton, reported that they are attempting to modify an entryway to one of the major anchor tenant spaces. A great deal of money has been invested in this shopping center, and there are no plans to do anything which will detract from its appearance. "Ross Dress for Less" will occupy the largest space in the building. This area lacks identity. The space has been vacant for over a year, and that problem has been resolved by filling the space with "Ross Dress for Less". The problem encountered in filling the space resulted from the fact that the space is set back from the remainder of the center. Because it is an anchor space, and the largest space in the building, the owners feel it warrants more identity than currently exists. 25 MINUTES REGULAR CITY COMMISSION MEETING BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA ~ .., SEPTEMBER 19, 1995 Mark SaLtzf--archite.ctfor_ th~ project, reported that a new sketch exists which addresses staff's comments and his client's need for identity. They arrived at a proposal which replicates the triangular peaks, but extends the peak to a higher elevation over what was originally Freddy's. In doing this, the sign band can be placed in the identical height location in relation to the ground. He displayed photographs of the current conditions, and a sketch of the proposal. At a meeting with Ms. Heyden, there was discussion relative to bringing the two columns forward so that they are flush and will allow a location for placement of the "Ross" sign. If the peak is replicated to match the top parapet of the building, no advantage is gained. The sign will still remain at the same elevation, and will not be able to be seen from the street. The applicant is proposing to align the trim bands, This will then permit the "Ross" sign to be placed in line with the "Luria's" sign. The applicant is attempting to match the height of the "Luria's" sign, Mr. Saltz feels that if the Commission approves raising the peak, he can work out everything else with staff. Ms. Heyden advised that the applicant has taken staff's comments, worked with them, and met staff somewhere in between. The applicant is proposing a letter height of 72". The sign program for the shopping center was amended in 1993 to allow letters up to 48". She would approve the sketch as long as the letter height is not greater than 48". Mr. Saltz pointed out that when the sign program was amended to 48", it was done for Ben Franklin which is a junior anchor. "Ross" would not want a sign less than "Luria's". The original sign criteria called for all the anchor tenants to have one color sign, and all junior anchors to have another color. Vice Mayor Bradley pointed out that the project could be approved subject to the sign matching the size of Luria's sign. Commissioner Rosen asked for clarification on the design of the "Ross Dress for Less" sign. Mr. Saltz explained that the "Ross" sign is blue in color, and it is internally neon lighted. The sign has individual channel letters. Mayor Taylor inquired as to the height of the individual letters. lohI1-Quincy.. store architect for Ross Dress for Les~ explained that if they use 60" "Ross" letters, they would then use 30" "Dress for Less" letters. "Ross" would like to maintain parity with the other major tenant in the center. The "Dress for Less" portion of the sign will be located lower than the "Ross" portion. It is essential that the name "Ross" be the same size as Luria's (5'), and then the lower band at 30". Mayor Taylor feels this tenant will then have a sign, when the two lines are combined, which measures approximately 8'. Luria's may then have the same complaint. Mr. Quincy stated that the lower the sign location is placed, the more the planting area will obscure it. There is not sufficient room to place the entire logo in the upper area. "Ross" feels the 5' sign 26 MINUTES REGULAR CITY COMMISSION MEETING BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA SEPTEMBER 19, 1995 matching Luria's (having the same height) provides parity and will work to the benefit of the center. Mayor Taylor confirmed with the applicants that the top line of the "Ross" sign will be at the same height as the top line of the Luria's sign. In response to Mayor Taylor's question, Ms. Heyden maintains that 48" is adequate for signage. She feels a 5' letter height is very large, and Luria's sign is too big. She does not feel this is necessary. Mayor Taylor agreed because he felt this sign would be larger than Luria's. Commissioner Rosen feels that if they match Luria's and are aligned with that sign, it will look better. . Eye appeal suggests that the signs be aligned and matched. Mayor Pro Tem Matson and Commissioner Jaskiewicz agreed. Motion Mayor Pro Tem Matson moved to approve the appeal for "Ross Dress for Less" to change the building facade as the new drawing tonight stipulated, and to approve the lettering at the same height and on the same level as the "Luria's" for "Ross"; and the "Dress for Less" to be smaller and proportionate. Commissioner Jaskiewicz seconded the motion. Vice Mayor Bradley believes the 4' letters are the way to go. If all of the letters on all of the buildings were exactly the same, he would vote for 5'. However, because of the signage underneath the name "Ross", he feels 4' is the way to go, He will vote against this application. Mayor Pro Tem Matson feels they should be uniform. The motion carried 3-2. (Mayor Taylor and Vice Mayor Bradley cast the dissenting votes.) IX. NEW BUSINESS: A. Items for discussion requested by Mayor Jerry Taylor 1 . Amend sign code for fast food drive-through menu boards Mayor Taylor advised that our Sign Code now calls for 25 square feet for menu boards. The sign at the McDonald's on Federal Highway and other businesses throughout the City exceed that Code. He does not have a big problem with the 5' x 7' sign McDonald'.s is proposing for their new location on Congress Avenue. Clark Bridgma~ repr5enti~cDonald's, said the applicant has been before the various boards to present their site plan. They have adhered to staff's recommendations particularly on signage and the menu board. Mr. Bridgman has reviewed existing menu boards throughout the City and found the existing menu boards are equivalent to McDonald's standard menu board. The 5' x 7' board is an industry standard. He requested support from the City Commission to allow the use of this size sign at the new location on Congress Avenue, 27 MINUTES REGULAR CITY COMMISSION MEETING BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA .. ~ .. SEPTEMBER 19, 1995 Commissioner Rosen said this site will be a new concept, and therefore, they should design a new menu board. There will be a tremendous amount of confusion with a gasoline station, carry-out, restaurant and restroom. Commissioner Rosen recommends that by eliminating the illustrative center section of the sign, the menu board will be very close in size to the requirements of the Code, and would be a better-looking sign. Commissioner Rosen will vote against this request. Commissioner Jaskiewicz does not have a problem with the sign being slightly larger with regard to the lettering, but does not feel the illustrations are necessary. Mayor Pro Tem Matson reviewed the building official's memorandum of September 14, wherein he states that the sign ordinance has been in place since before 1988, and many of the newly-approved projects were held to the standards of that ordinance. In addition, changing the law to accommodate a particular complainant is now sound public policy when a variance procedure is in place. Vice Mayor Bradley recommended that the applicant eliminate the pictures from the sign. Mr. Bridgman explained that the photos identify certain packages offered by McDonald's. This facilitates the drive-through concept because it allows the customer to order by item number. This is a standard throughout the industry. Mr. Bridgman further explained that in discussions with staff, the applicant was 1 Y2 square feet under the administrative process for the standard 5' x 7' menu board. This did not take the exclusion of pictures into consideration. Commissioner Jaskiewicz felt that the other McDonald's sites throughout the City were larger and stood alone. This is a smaller, combination site, and a 5' x 7' sign is very large. Mr. Bridgman said the applicant is attempting to provide a menu board which is easy to read. The sign will be located behind the building and will not be seen from the roadway, This combined use is approximately the same size building as currently exists on Woolbright Road. Consensus There was a consensus of the Commission not to amend the Sign Code for the fast-food drive-through menu board. 2. Set Date for Workshop Meeting There was agreement among the Commission to hold this meeting on Thursday, October 26, at 4:00 p.m. The topic of discussion will be the Appearance Code. X. LEGAL: A. Ordinances - 2nd Reading - PUBLIC HEARING 28 MINUTES REGULAR CITY COMMISSION MEETING BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA ? SEPTEMBER 19, 1995 this shed if it plies to Code and meets all requirements. In an attempt to speed up the process, he requested auth ization for the Building Department r TRC to approve this addition if requirements are met. Ms. Heyden explaine that if the size exceeds - percent, it would require formal site plan review. If it is under 5 percent, it n go through the mi site plan process in the Building Department. When square footage is added, i e structure falls nder that "adding square footage category", many issues must be reviewed. WISHED TO SPEAK AT THE PUBLIC HEARING. THERE WAS NO ONE PRESEN Motion Commissioner Jaskiewicz mov to appr ve the request to amend the approved site plan to expand the car wash to include a can y for autom ile polishing and vacuuming, additional parking, and a vehicle stacking area on a. 3 acre parcel n of the existing car wash, subject to staff comments. Vice Mayor Bradley seco ed the motion whi carried unanimously. J. .. t' ij - '... __" it,. I . I' ,,_:~'~ t::...: ~ ~ Io"",;Uc-I ~ Mark Fassey \ Trio Associates [~ited North side of S.W. 19th Avenue, approximately 351 feet east of Con~ress Avenue ~'-~;" ~.';02L}\ j \..e:.r.....(....l for a one-year time extension for conditional use app' val and concurrency certification for construction of a 48 bed a ult congregate living facility (ACLF) for Alzheimer's/dementia p ients Project Agent. Ow r: Lo tion: y,...ag.enLfor the applicant was present in the audience. ayor Bradley moved to approve the one-year time extension for conditio al use approval subject comments. Commissioner Jaskiewicz seconded the mqtion which carn unanimously. "- K. Administrative appeal for Shoppes of Boynton for- Ross Dress for Less John Hoecker, managing agent for the Shoppes of Boynton, reported that they are attempting to modify an entryway to one of the major anchor tenant spaces. A great deal of money has been invested in this shopping center, and there are no plans to do anything which will detract from its appearance. "Ross Dress for Less" will occupy the largest space in the building. This area lacks identity. The space has been vacant for over a year, and that problem has been resolved by filling the space with "Ross Dress for Less". The problem encountered in filling the space resulted from the fact that the space is set back from the remainder of the center. Because it is an anchor space, and the largest space in the building, the owners feel it warrants more identity than currently exists. 25 MINUTES REGULAR CITY COMMISSION MEETING BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA SEPTEMBER 19, 1995 MarkpSaltz,....a[chit.e.ctfor. th.e..project, reported that a new sketch exists which addresses staff's comments and his client's need for identity. They arrived at a proposal which replicates the triangular peaks, but extends the peak to a higher elevation over what was originally Freddy's. In doing this, the sign band can be placed in the identical height location in relation to the ground. He displayed photographs of the current conditions, and a sketch of the proposal. At a meeting with Ms. Heyden, there was discussion relative to bringing the two columns forward so that they are flush and will allow a location for placement of the "Ross" sign. If the peak is replicated to match the top parapet of the building, no advantage is gained. The sign will still remain at the same elevation, and will not be able to be seen from the street. The applicant is proposing to align the trim bands. This will then permit the "Ross" sign to be placed in line with the "luria's" sign. The applicant is attempting to match the height of the "Luria's" sign. Mr. Saltz feels that if the Commission approves raising the peak, he can work out everything else with staff. Ms. Heyden advised that the applicant has taken staff's comments, worked with them, and met staff somewhere in between. The applicant is proposing a letter height of 72". The sign program for the shopping center was amended in 1993 to allow letters up to 48". She would approve the sketch as long as the letter height is not greater than 48". .. Mr. Saltz pointed out that when the sign program was amended to 48", it was done for Ben Franklin which is a junior anchor. "Ross" would not want a sign less than "Luria's". The original sign criteria called for all the anchor tenants to have one color sign, and all junior anchors to have another color. Vice Mayor Bradley pointed out that the project could be approved subject to the sign matching the size of Luria's sign. Commissioner Rosen asked for clarification on the design of the "Ross Dress for Less" sign. Mr. Saltz explained that the "Ross" sign is blue in color, and it is internally neon lighted. The sign has Individual channel letters. Mayor Taylor inquired as to the height of the individual letters. lohn. Quincy, store architect for Ross Dress fod.es~ explained that if they use 60" "Ross" letters, they would then use 30" "Dress for Less" letters. "Ross" would like to maintain parity with the other major tenant in the center. The "Dress for Less" portion of the sign will be located lower than the "Ross" portion. It is essential that the name "Ross" be the same size as Luria's (5'), and then the lower band at 3D". Mayor Taylor feels this tenant will then have a sign, when the two lines are combined, which measures approximately 8'. Luria's may then have the same complaint. Mr. Quincy stated that the lower the sign location is placed, the more the planting area will obscure it. There is not sufficient room to place the entire logo in the upper area. "Ross" feels the 5' sign 26 , " "'..- . .. .--'"m'>':'., ~., ""1";", .......... "" MINUTES REGULAR CITY COMMISSION MEETING BOYNTON BEACH, FLORIDA SEPTEMBER 19, 1995 matching Luria's (having the same height) provides parity and will work to the benefit of the center. Mayor Taylor confirmed with the appHcants that the top line of the "Ross" sign will be at the same height as the top line of the Luria's sign. In response to Mayor Taylor's question, Ms. Heyden maintains that 48" is adequate for signage. She feels a 5' letter height is very large, and Luria's sign is too big. She does not feel this is necessary. Mayor Taylor agreed because he felt this sign would be larger than Luria's. Commissioner Rosen feels that if they match Luria's and are aligned with that sign, it will look better. . Eye appeal suggests that the signs be aligned and matched. Mayor Pro Tem Matson and Commissioner Jaskiewicz agreed. Motion Mayor Pro Tem Matson moved to approve the appeal for "Ross Dress for Less" to change the building facade as the new drawing tonight stipulated, and to approve the lettering at the same height and on the same level as the "Luria's" for "Ross"; and the "Dress for Less" to be smaller and proportionate. Commissioner Jaskiewicz seconGled the motion. Vice Mayor Bradley believes the 4' letters are the way to go. If all of the letters on all of the buildings were exactly the same, he would vote for 5'. However, because of the signage underneath the name "Ross", he feels 4' is the way to go. He will vote against this application. Mayor Pro Tem Matson feels they shoufd be uniform. The motion carried 3-2. (Mayor Taylor and Vice Mayor Bradley cast the dissenting votes.) A. 1. IX. Mayor Taylor advised that ou . n Code now calls for 25 square et for menu boards. The sign at the McDonald's on Federal Hi way d other businesses through t t City exceed that Code. He does not have a big proble with the 'x 7' sign McDonald?' is prop ing for their new location on Congress Avenue. /' ,/ / ClarkBridgmalJ/';~pr..esenting McDonald's, id the-applicant has been befo the various boards to present their;ite plan. They have adhered to st/ Js recommendations particular on signage and the menu boaJd. Mr. Bridgman has reviewed e,~isti menu boards throughout the and found the existing;nenu boards are equivalent to MCDonald standard menu board. The 5' x 'board is an industpv standard. He requested suppmt from the Ci Commission to allow the use of t . size sign at the new location on Congress Avenue. 27 ;)' I ~4: i' ,1 SEP 20;""'- i'l' :', "I 1:..' . L_~~..".~~".i 1'1 1'-".'111" F'I) ,,-,,";! i ,\11 r"i' lJ .,~~.~illH9 D&l~~:~~ . Mark L. Saltz Architects, Inc. 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